Anti-Sha'ria rallies planned across the U.S. worry muslim leaders

[simplejeff]

The more you learn, if YHWH permits, about this country, its origins, and its purposes/motives/ reality,

the less patriotic you will be ,

if you have chosen to serve Jesus and follow Him.

[simplejeff]

18 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said:

In the meantime we live (and should appreciate living) under a secular government.  The Founders - purposely - set it up that way.  And I happen to wholeheartedly agree with it.

So then,  if you went to live in Athens (where Paul preached the Gospel they hated),  you would leave all the idolatry there, of the many different religions,  as they were, and "wholeheartedly agree (with Athens government)" ! ?

[other one]

31 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said:

As has been argued on this board, only actual practicing Muslims can determine what true Islam is.  So to the extent they want to live side-by-side, peacefully with non-Muslims, it is up to them to determine that.  They will need to address the problems in their congregations that prevent them from doing so.

They will need to understand they cannot impose sharia.  If they cannot understand that, then it will be up to the rest of us as to how to respond.

And we had better do so sooner rather than later - while non-Muslims are still in the majority.

Blessings,

-Ed

That is simply not true.  It is just something they use to hide behind.  They used to tell me similar things of not understanding Sharia law if you don't understand Aribic.....   then I find "Reliance of the Traveller" which is a certified translation into English.  If you study and believe the teachings of the books of Islam, your primary goal in life would be to submit the whole world to Sharia....

 You don't have to take my word for it, you can read for yourself...  But I would ask that until you do real their books that you don't tell me what Islam is, or that I can't know.

Islam isn't like Christanity, it does not give an active relationship with Allah...  all you have is the Koran and the quotes of Mohammad as written by his closest friends...  And it is condensed into a 1200 page book of laws that covers just about every aspect of life.....   even to the direction to face when you go to the bathroom.

[SavedByGrace1980]

4 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

So then,  if you went to live in Athens (where Paul preached the Gospel they hated),  you would leave all the idolatry there, of the many different religions,  as they were, and "wholeheartedly agree (with Athens government)" ! ?

You're missing an important point.

While no secular government is perfect (since by definition it is secular, so it is imperfect in the Kingdom of God sense), some secular governments are better than others.

Would you not say that the government of - say - Britain is better than the government of N. Korea?  Or that the government of the US is better than the government of the former USSR?

My saying that does not imply there are not imperfections in even the good governments, it's just recognizing what should be apparent - some are better than others.

I'm not all that well versed on Ancient Athens, but I believe it was a democracy with a state religion.  That makes it inferior (in my opinion) to our Constitutional Republic with NO state religion (and freedom for all to worship).

And St. Paul himself didn't tear down the idols - in fact he used them (" . . . to an unknown god) to attempt to change hearts and minds. Physically removing the idols would have accomplished nothing.

Paul never confronted any secular authorities head on - but they were used to further God's plan ("I appeal to Caesar")

Blessings,

-Ed

[SavedByGrace1980]

7 minutes ago, other one said:

That is simply not true.  It is just something they use to hide behind.  They used to tell me similar things of not understanding Sharia law if you don't understand Aribic.....   then I find "Reliance of the Traveller" which is a certified translation into English.  If you study and believe the teachings of the books of Islam, your primary goal in life would be to submit the whole world to Sharia....

 You don't have to take my word for it, you can read for yourself...  But I would ask that until you do real their books that you don't tell me what Islam is, or that I can't know.

Islam isn't like Christanity, it does not give an active relationship with Allah...  all you have is the Koran and the quotes of Mohammad as written by his closest friends...  And it is condensed into a 1200 page book of laws that covers just about every aspect of life.....   even to the direction to face when you go to the bathroom.

I said "as has been argued on this board" in an attempt to be charitable on not quibble on that point.

I should have instead been more clear and said "I do not agree, but it has been argued on this board . . . ")

Hope that clarifies.

Blessings,

-Ed

[other one]

Well, they were wrong instead of you......  unless you agree with them. Lol

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[MorningGlory]

7 hours ago, wingnut- said:

 

Yes, in Southfield, MI at noon today.  This all started over an incident in Detroit where a doctor mutilated two young girls, he is facing criminal charges.  The city of Dearborn has wrongfully been linked to this incident because of its large population of Arab-Americans, but the actual group behind the move to enact Sharia law in this state stems from Hamtramck.  An area that was once known for its high population of Polish immigrants that has now shifted to an Arabic area and is touted as the first american city to contain a majority of Muslims on the city council.

I was in Hamtramck a few years ago and it was an appalling sprawl of decay.  I didn't see many muslims but I might have missed them because I was staring at the rundown, dirty streets and boarded up buildings.  So it has a majority arab population now?

[wingnut-]

54 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

I was in Hamtramck a few years ago and it was an appalling sprawl of decay.  I didn't see many muslims but I might have missed them because I was staring at the rundown, dirty streets and boarded up buildings.  So it has a majority arab population now?

 

Hamtramck is an absolute mess, and yes the social dynamic has drastically changed there in my lifetime.  There is still a large contingency of Polish Americans there, but they are in the minority now, it has become an Arabic stronghold which reflects a different attitude than those who live in Dearborn.  They are behind this move for Sharia law, which became clear following the incident here where the doctor genitally mutilated two young girls in Detroit.  Having been to Hamtramck you are familiar with its proximity to Detroit I assume.

The rally today in Southfield went as expected, not as good of a turnout as was hoped for, and those who showed up to protest our march outnumbered us.  The irony is that they spat at us, threw things at us, and accused us of hatred while they were of course the only people displaying hatred and intolerance for freedom.  From what I hear it was much worse in Lansing, but to this point there is absolutely no coverage on the matter, as if it never happened, go figure. 

[MorningGlory]

54 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

Hamtramck is an absolute mess, and yes the social dynamic has drastically changed there in my lifetime.  There is still a large contingency of Polish Americans there, but they are in the minority now, it has become an Arabic stronghold which reflects a different attitude than those who live in Dearborn.  They are behind this move for Sharia law, which became clear following the incident here where the doctor genitally mutilated two young girls in Detroit.  Having been to Hamtramck you are familiar with its proximity to Detroit I assume.

The rally today in Southfield went as expected, not as good of a turnout as was hoped for, and those who showed up to protest our march outnumbered us.  The irony is that they spat at us, threw things at us, and accused us of hatred while they were of course the only people displaying hatred and intolerance for freedom.  From what I hear it was much worse in Lansing, but to this point there is absolutely no coverage on the matter, as if it never happened, go figure. 

As we see in the news, and right here on this forum, the Left doesn't want any criticism of islam and they actively try to support the barbarians wanting Sha'ria law in the U.S.  Anyone who supports this cause should be charged with sedition because that's exactly what trying to undermine our Constitution is.

[wingnut-]

8 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

As we see in the news, and right here on this forum, the Left doesn't want any criticism of islam and they actively try to support the barbarians wanting Sha'ria law in the U.S.  Anyone who supports this cause should be charged with sedition because that's exactly what trying to undermine our Constitution is.

 

Agreed, but I don't think we have enough prison space to put them all in.