ERRORS of the POST-TRIB. view.

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You could say those in the Flood were LEFT OFF THE ARK, and Noah was taken to safety. The Context is all that matters. I don't understand, and never have, why people place too much emphasis on a single word or even a single sentence. I see this all the time, not criticizing you specifically as almost everyone does it, put we have to look at the bible as a Mosaic, and fit everythng together. 

I wanted to answer something else you have said above:

I believe in verbal plenary inspiration ... simply because God has claimed the Scriptures to His Word! We have His creation before us and it's unique complexities that teach us precept upon precept line upon line here a little there a little until the whole has satisfactorily explained the God Head to bring man to Himself without excuse...

Romans 1:20 (KJV)

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

so as His Spoken Word in creation also His Written Word the same!
Every Single Word!
Love, Steven

 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

It is God Who has set the context 'As in the days of Noe' ... and the whole point of rapture and 2nd coming is earth and what is being done here! As it was in the days of Noah! This violation of the hermeneutics of the passage clearly shows what happens when people try to fit The Word with their own build... Let God Speak for Himself through His Word or reap the error of making it other- being not what God has written... Love, Steven

I think you are hearing it one way and me another way,  the way you perceive it seems different from my understanding. We all have been wrong in our perceptions before at various times (of course) but when the Holy Spirit gives us His understanding there is no quibble room. As in the Days of Noah means what? Its not about the flood as you seem to be suggesting. It's about what they were doing BEFORE THE FLOOD....38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 

You seem to be looking at the Flood, I am looking at what was going on before the Flood. They were having a gay ole time, not worrying about the coming Rain or Flood even though Noah had warned them countless times. Likewise, even though we warn those we know about the coming Wrath of the Lord, they scoff, where is the promise of his coming !! It was 2000 years ago and you are just a Christian falling for the ignorance of other men etc. etc. etc.  Like in the Days of Noah is pointing out the DAYS BEFORE THE FLOOD, and how the actions of those people and the people in the End Times (Now, IMHO) will be acting in the exact same manner. The FLOOD and the TRIBULATION are the same thing !!  Both were DANGER POINTS of Emphasis, that neither group heeded. If you are in the Wrath of God already, you are NOT going to be worrying about the Lord surprising you, it builds to a predetermined crescendo and no one is going to be surprised. 

 

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. { Comparing those days to Jesus' coming }

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, { They were not heeding the Warning of Noah, then the Floods came and they were in DIRE STRAIGHTS, they could not escape the coming wrath. }

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {The Flood is going to DESTROY THEM, the Tribulation is going to DESTROY THEM. Both are left in harms way, eventually the Plagues of God will take them unto destruction. The Single word overpowering the message is just not factual. }

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. { Being TAKEN here is Good, it means you are being Raptured to Heaven, being left is bad, it means you will eventually be consumed by Gods Wrath or the Anti-Christ will kill you. }

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. {Rapture)

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. {We know when the Second Coming is, but not the Rapture}

God Bless........

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Those taken and left has nothing to do with the Lord's call for His own before in Matthew 24

Matthew 24 is about Israel in the coming tribulation

Those of Israel "taken" are taken in the judgment .... those "left" will enter and populate the Lord's 1000 year millennial kingdom upon the earth

 

Yes, and there are Messianic Jews that get Raptured........There is going to be no one left brother. The Anti-Christ will kill all the Jews who do not Flee into the Wilderness. So you have those of God who heeded his voice, then the rest (2/3 Zechariah) are killed. 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

I wanted to answer something else you have said above:

I believe in verbal plenary inspiration ... simply because God has claimed the Scriptures to His Word! We have His creation before us and it's unique complexities that teach us precept upon precept line upon line here a little there a little until the whole has satisfactorily explained the God Head to bring man to Himself without excuse...

Romans 1:20 (KJV)

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

so as His Spoken Word in creation also His Written Word the same!
Every Single Word!
Love, Steven

Aren't you missing something here? Firstly, we do not read the original WORD, many times the translations are off, that is just a fact. Daniel 9:27 is a great example. Also 2 Thessalonians 2 is another example, the word used Apostisia has nothing to do with a Falling Away of the Faith, the first seven English bibles had DEPARTURE....And the Church being Raptured was  the SUBJECT (Gathering together unto Christ Jesus, NOT THE FAITH). The Latin bible from 400-1400 used a word that meant DEPART also. 

We have to use our Hebrew and Greek root-words, our translations are far from perfect. Its not the Holy Word thats wrong, its the translations thats off.

[enoob57]

Matthew 24:40

[40] τότε «δύο ἔσονται» ἐν τῷ ἀγρῷ, ‡εἷς παραλαμβάνεται καὶ †εἷς ἀφίεται·

This is such a simple hermeneutic to follow... Christ even directs the context and
the formation of thought by the context! I don't see how anyone could convolute
the meaning! Who is taken and who is left formulates the context as Jesus has so
indicated.. Let The Word speak for itself and learn to follow its directives period!

Love, Steven

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, inchrist said:

I believe the post trib is about 10 days off in their timing between Rosh hashanah and Yom kippur.

But out of the three dominant theories I believe post trib is the closest to the truth

Hi inchrist,

Hope you will still read and consider the different points that come up.

regards, Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Thought you were talking about the wrath of God,as I know in this world as written we shall have tribulation.

The Elect has the seal(knowledge)of God.Israel in the sense that you say(Jew's)can't be as they don't believe Christ was the Son of God.

Hi n2thelight,

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding. That`s fine.

And yes, I also believe that Israel does not know that Christ is the Son of God. They will not now that till the end of the trib. when the Lord reveals Himself to them. However they are still the elect because of God`s mercy.

regards, Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, n2thelight said:

You have the answer right in front of you from that verse.Christ is not even on His own throne yet.

Christ shall rule from earth over the nations

Christ deals with the fallen angels from earth as they shall arrive before Him

Earth is where He will rule in the one to come,as when He comes this age of the flesh will be over.

Hi n2thelight,

I agree, that Christ is not yet on His own throne, authority. However we see that coronation in Rev. 4 & 5 where the Father gives the Son the authority and power to execute judgment upon the rebellious nations etc. This investiture is BEFORE the trib. and millennium, and is in the third heaven, the seat of Christ`s authority and power.

`...far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 21)

It is from this seat of power and authority given of the Father, that the Lord rules through out the trib. then in the millennium and on through the ages to come.

No scriptures to show that His seat of power and authority is from His `footstool` the earth. Christ will rule over every realm and dominion. All authority and power will be under Him, not over Him.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. { Being TAKEN here is Good, it means you are being Raptured to Heaven, being left is bad, it means you will eventually be consumed by Gods Wrath or the Anti-Christ will kill you. }

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. {Rapture)

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. {We know when the Second Coming is, but not the Rapture}

God Bless........

Hi Revelation Man,

As these people are in darkness, not knowing when the Lord comes, they are not the believers in the Body of Christ who are sons of the light.

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

2. Matt. 24:29-31 is misunderstood, the Church/Saints do come back with Jesus IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days and the Elect are Gathered from one end of Heaven unto the other, NOT from Earth. 

 

Hi Revelation Man,

The Lord Himself, only says that the angels come back with Him, not the Body of Christ.

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, & all the HOLY ANGELS with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man .....comes in His own glory, & in His Father`s glory & in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with HIS MIGHTY ANGELS.` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

The Body of Christ is registered in heaven, and that is there place of authority.

`...to the general assembly and the church of the first-born who are registered in heaven,...` (Heb. 12: 23)

regards, Marilyn.