No infinite torture in hell's lake of fire

[BobRyan]

Matthew 10:28 "fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell"

Eph 3: ²⁰ Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, ²¹ to Him be the glory

So then torture - in fire and brimstone is the portion for the wicked in the lake of fire.. But they will in fact be destroyed in it after some time of suffering - in the end "both body and soul".

 

Even Satan himself - reduced to ashes.

Ezek 28 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
¹⁷ “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
¹⁸ “By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
¹⁹ “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”

[BobRyan]

Finite torment for finite sin. And Christ summing up all the debt owed by all the sin of mankind - pays the debt in full on the cross. "He is the Atoning Sacrifice for our sins and NOT for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2

 

And "yet" not everyone, not "the whole world" will accept that Gospel solution. "He came to His OWN and His own received Him not" John 1:11

[Guest]

A finite Hell is a misinterpretation of Scripture.

[Flowerwater]

I think a fiery eternal hell for finite mistakes is misrepresenting scriptures. It's suppose to be a separation from God. Not a contradiction in terms. A bottomless pit filled with fire and brimstone? 

 

[missmuffet]

Question: "Is hell real? Is hell eternal?"

Answer: It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of heaven than believe in the existence of hell. According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).

https://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html

[Guest shiloh357]

On 6/30/2017 at 9:47 AM, BobRyan said:

Finite torment for finite sin. And Christ summing up all the debt owed by all the sin of mankind - pays the debt in full on the cross. "He is the Atoning Sacrifice for our sins and NOT for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2

 

And "yet" not everyone, not "the whole world" will accept that Gospel solution. "He came to His OWN and His own received Him not" John 1:11

Hell is not a torment for finite sins.  Hell is the consequence of rejecting Christ.   Rejection of Christ is an eternal decision and people are in hell for that eternal decision and they will suffer eternally for it.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Hell is not a torment for finite sins.  Hell is the consequence of rejecting Christ.   Rejection of Christ is an eternal decision and people are in hell for that eternal decision and they will suffer eternally for it.

Exactly. Those that say hell is not eternal do not understand that those that curse God will continue to do so eternally. The punishment is eternal.

 

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
(2Th 1:9)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Joh 3:16)

The same word 'everlasting' in both cases...aiōnios
Thayer Definition:
1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

So, if hell's punishment is temporary, then so is our 'everlasting' life.

Let those with eyes to see and ears to hear come to know the TRUTH. Amen

[missmuffet]

Wishful thinking if a person does not believe what the Bible reveals that hell is a conscience eternal torment and judgement that lasts an eternity.

[HAZARD]

The Lake of Fire, is the eternal Hell and perdition of wicked men, demons, fallen angels, and all rebellious creatures of all ages who have ever rebelled against God, and who have refused to repent when they could have. It is called "The Gehenna of Fire" and is always translated Hell (Matt. 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43-45, 47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6). This prison is also called "the second death, which is the lake of fire" (Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 14). This final Hell was prepared for the devil and all his angels (Matt. 25:41-46), and for all other rebells, and it is ETERNAL in duration (Rev. 14:9-14; 20:10-15; Isa. 66:22-24; Matt. 25:46). There is no record in Scripture of anyone being the lake of fire at present. Scripture does show that the beast and the false prophet will be the first to be cast into it. This will happen before the Millennium (Rev. 19:20). They will still be there 1,000 years later when the devil and all other rebels will be cast into it (Rev. 20:10-15).

Scripture also teaches that there will be degrees of punishment in Hell as far as remorse and torment of the conscience is concerned (Matt. 10:15; 11:22; 12:41; 23:14; Mark 6:11; 12:40; Luke 10:14; 11:31, 32; 20:47).

 These degrees of punishment will be because of the kind of sins committed by one that were not committed by another. No man will be punished or could have remorse over something he did not do. They will all regret rebelling against God and man and failing to believe in Jesus, and repenting of sin.

 

In the near future men on Earth will be able to look into a real burning Hell under the Earth. This is plainly stated in Isa. 66:22-24 where the prophet predicts that all natural men in the New earth will be able to look into Hell upon the men that have sinned against God.

Rev. 14:9-11 also proves that men will be tormented in the presence of God and angels forever. These passages are literal and should be understood just as they read.

[PageofGrace]

18 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

It should be kept in mind that God is not "torturing" anyone. Hell is punishment due to our rebellion against the Lord and it is a self-inflicted one if we choose to not take God up on His incredible gift. God offers a way by which to be reconciled to him, which is salvation through repentant faith in Jesus Christ.

If we continue in sin and do not repent, then all God can do is enforce the sentence we have been warned about. Don't blame the Judge over the sinner's discomfort with the sentence; we were warned.

Hell was originally created as the end punishment for the great Satan and his fallen angel followers. Then God opened Hell for the souls of unsaved humans. 

How is God not responsible for doing that prior to sending his son to save us so we don't go there? I look forward to your answer. This is a very controversial subject as I understand it among Christians.