Suicide

[hmbld]

It would be scary if my faith in the power of Jesus's blood did not save me, and I had to rely on repenting of every sin specifically before I died, as I suspect there are many I am unaware of.  Scripture offers us hope in Jesus, not hope in the power of our ability to save ourselves.  Turn, see, its Jesus and Jesus only!

[other one]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

I'm not claiming any authority. I'm simply stating a Biblical fact.

Judas was to have leadership of one of the twelve tribes of Israel as the other apostles, instead, because he failed to repent and he hung himself Judas had his bishopric taken by another, "Mathias," and he had name removed from the book of life, not because of betraying Jesus, but because of not repenting as Peter did, who denied Christ three times before men. Instead of repenting of his sins Judas took his own life. Now that's a plain and simple to read and believe as any other scriptures in the Bible.

King James translation says he repented, NASB said he had remorse.  Nowhere does the Bible say he went to hell.  I'll still let Jesus make that decision.

[HAZARD]

46 minutes ago, other one said:

King James translation says he repented, NASB said he had remorse.  Nowhere does the Bible say he went to hell.  I'll still let Jesus make that decision.

A real life example of what regret or remorse truly is. John admits. He  struggles with addiction to porn. He is determined to beat his habit but gives in, feels bad, intends to make a change, but ends up slipping time and again. When he does, it deeply hurts his wife. He sees the pain in her face and feels bad that he has hurt her. John is remorseful but not repentant.

Regret and remorse have consequences, but do not necessarily address the wrong-doing of those consequences.  And so is the problem with remorse vs. repentance. Remorse can be temporary. It doesn’t always lead to change. Remorse can leave you filled with guilt that eventually leads to shame. This type of “worldly sorry” can eat you up emotionally. But repentance leads to confessing our sin to God, leaving it at the cross, and asking the Holy Spirit to change us.

 

Regret and remorse are different than godly sorrow as noted in 2 Corinthians 7:10 

2 Corinthians 7:10, For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

You wrote;

"Nowhere does the Bible say he went to hell."

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The Bible says, his bishopric was given to another because his name was removed from God's book of life. God has already made that decision according to His Word.

God's Word also clearly states in Rev. 20:15;

Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 

I believe this Scripture to mean exactly what it says. It does not say, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life will enter Heaven regardless of what unrepentant sins they have committed during their lives.

[other one]

I'm sure glad it's Jesus making these decisions...

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, hmbld said:

It would be scary if my faith in the power of Jesus's blood did not save me, and I had to rely on repenting of every sin specifically before I died, as I suspect there are many I am unaware of.  Scripture offers us hope in Jesus, not hope in the power of our ability to save ourselves.  Turn, see, its Jesus and Jesus only!

Father in Heaven, in the Name of Jesus, please forgive me all of my past sins, and especially any I may unknowingly commit during this day.

Its a prayer that can be repeated every day, morning noon and night. With the help of the Holy Spirit any true believer and follower of Christ will not "UNKNOWINGLY" commit too many sins.

 

 Tell me, do you know what this Scripture teaches?

1 Corinthians 2:9, But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

[HAZARD]

8 minutes ago, other one said:

I'm sure glad it's Jesus making these decisions...

I am as well  . He does spell out His intentions quite clearly and succinctly where we all will end up if we remain in repentant sin, and or have our names removed from His book of life, and where we will end up if we get out of the sin business and try with all our heart and mind to stay there, repenting  if we occasionally happen to slip up.

[Guest Teditis]

14 hours ago, HAZARD said:

I am not mocking God or twisting Scriptures. Please stop with your accusations, they are unwarranted.

Judas was a saved man. He was to be head of one of the twelve tribes of Israel as the other apostles. He had his bishopric taken from him. He by transgression fell. Instead of repenting, he committed suicide, by which he could no longer repent of his sins. The same with Judas. Once one commits suicide, there is no more opportunity for repentance.

Judas was a saved man because his name was written in God's book of life. he was called a devil, just a Peter was called Satan by Jesus;

Matthew 16:23, But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter also denied Christ three times before men;

Matthew 26:34, Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Matthew 26:75, And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

Jesus also said this;

Matthew 10:33, But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Luckily Peter wept in tears and repented.

Judas had his name written in God's book of life just as Peter did, but sadly instead of repenting of his sin, he brooded over it and took his own life.

He like Satan by transgression fell.

Act 1:25, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Because he never repented, but took his own life his name was removed from God's book and his place was taken by another, "Matthias."

Acts 1: 20-23, For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
    21, Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
    22, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
    23, And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Judas, instead of repenting, overcoming, brooded over his sin and committed suicide and his bishoprick was taken by another;

Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

It's not unwarranted Hazard, you twist Scripture that are about something totally different than the context that you introduce to them.

You do it here again, as none of these are talking about suicide... you twist these Scripture to fit your needs and create your own doctrines.

In doing this, you're mocking God... taking His Words and twisting them to fit your own needs. Creating whole "stories" out of the Sacred

that demean their original intent... you really ought to stop doing this.

Suicide has been a culturally acceptable form of dying since the earliest times... men falling on swords, old people quit eating, people walking

out into the woods in the middle of winter, etc... just so that they won't have to live a life of dishonor and/or be a burden on others. There many

reasons for suicide, honorable and just and it's just the stigma that ppl like you place on the subject that makes it sinful... God never said that it was.

Jesus died for ALL of our sins, past/present/future... while it's good to repent ,we need not repent after each one in order to stay in the Book of Life.

The sheer number of ways that we sin... miss the mark of God's perfection... makes it impossible for anyone to account for all of our sins.

 

[HAZARD]

9 hours ago, Teditis said:

It's not unwarranted Hazard, you twist Scripture that are about something totally different than the context that you introduce to them.

You do it here again, as none of these are talking about suicide... you twist these Scripture to fit your needs and create your own doctrines.

In doing this, you're mocking God... taking His Words and twisting them to fit your own needs. Creating whole "stories" out of the Sacred

 

 

You believe what you like, I will believe God's Word. To kill one's self to avoid punishment or hopefully find an easy way out of trouble is murder. Murder is sin. After killing ones self there is no chance of repentance.

Judas had his name removed from the book of life, God says anyone who's name is not in His book shall not enter Heaven. If that's twisting Scripture in your mind then so be it. You continually accuse me of twisting Scripture, Your on ignore!

[HAZARD]

9 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

You make judgement calls you cannot make unless you are magically able to occupy someone's head and examine each of their thoughts on a day-to-day, hour-to-hour, minute-by-minute basis.  You can somehow determine, from a chair in front of a screen who has remorse and who does not?

If such is the case, then here is a test for you, since it is so easy.  I have tremendous remorse, and yes, Godly sorrow when it comes to several past things in my life. Tell me what just a couple of them are.

What a ridiculous question. What are you, a school teacher, here's a test for you?

I never said I could read minds. A real life example of what regret or remorse truly is. John admits. He  struggles with addiction to porn. He is determined to beat his habit but gives in, feels bad, intends to make a change, but ends up slipping time and again. When he does, it deeply hurts his wife. He sees the pain in her face and feels bad that he has hurt her. John is remorseful but not repentant.

Regret and remorse have consequences, but do not necessarily address the wrong-doing of those consequences.  And so is the problem with remorse vs. repentance. Remorse can be temporary. It doesn’t always lead to change. Remorse can leave you filled with guilt that eventually leads to shame. This type of “worldly sorry” can eat you up emotionally. But repentance leads to confessing our sin to God, leaving it at the cross, and asking the Holy Spirit to change us.

 

Regret and remorse are different than godly sorrow as noted in 2 Corinthians 7:10 

2 Corinthians 7:10, For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

If you want to play here's a test, can you tell me what this Scripture teaches?

Joh 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

[HAZARD]

34 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Not at all ridiculous.  You made some very firm statements in this quote:

You have no way of knowing that what you said here was true or not, but you said it anyway.  You clearly said that this man had no remorse over what he did and you have no way of knowing that, one way or another.  The fact that he took his own life could be a sign that he actually was remorseful.  You assume he took his life to keep from going to jail.  That might have been the reason but you are not able to know that for sure, one way or another.  You can make a somewhat educated guess and nothing more.

Your statement up there, not mine.  It says you, personally, can know a person's thoughts by their actions.  You state that clearly in that quote. 

Now you drop it like it's hot.

I am not a school teacher.  I don't even play one on TV.   You presume to be able to make judgement calls on people and their behavior.  You can deny it, but that is exactly what you do.  Kind of like when you repeatedly intimate that people are stupid by saying something like "can you tell me what this Scripture teaches?"  Yes, I could, and your implied twist on that verse is a little off in regards to suicide.  Much like a couple of people here who are wrongly convinced all infants/children who die before they reach the age of accountability go to hell, you assume all people who commit suicide go to hell and you have no way of knowing, individually, if they do or not.

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"Kind of like when you repeatedly intimate that people are stupid by saying something like "can you tell me what this Scripture teaches?"  Yes, I could, and your implied twist on that verse is a little off in regards to suicide."

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Well Mr, "I have all the answers," I know it has nothing to do with suicide, I just want to know if you are as knowledgeable as you make out regarding God Word, so tell me what that Scripture teaches.

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"Much like a couple of people here who are wrongly convinced all infants/children who die before they reach the age of accountability go to hell, you assume all people who commit suicide go to hell and you have no way of knowing, individually, if they do or not."

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Infants and little children who have not reached the age of reason and accountability, if they die, DO NOT GO TO HELL.