Talking Halloween

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, Wanda01 said:

We as a  family do not participate in halloween activities. 31 October in this household, is just the day that falls between 30 October and  1 November.

The one year my daughter went to public school, the teacher had the class come dressed in costumes, and they had a halloween march of sorts in the school....all the little children were lead from one classroom to the next, to get goody bags filled with treats. We did not know it was being done, nor did we condone it. It was a good lesson to teach, as it opened a dialogue when our daughter came home from school that day. She had never been exposed to this tradition of men and has not been since. 

I understand there are churches that have fall festivals, serving food & drinks and giving the kids treats. The children still go dressed in costumes with their little goody bags. I don't see what the difference is, when it's a church doing these things, versus someone out in the world. It's geography, really, and in my opinion, has no place in the church, where they should be about their Heavenly Father's business. 

I have had this discussion with many over the years and have heard many defenses for it, including the excuse that "this might be the one thing that draws someone to church, who would not otherwise go", and I sigh. 

God does not need gimmicks. HE is sufficient.  The Truth needs to be shared, exclaimed from the rooftops, from men who are not afraid to preach it. That is enough to pierce the heart. 

Wando ONE.    a tear welled up when I seen this.   AMEN SISTER. AMEN

TIMOTHY died trying to get others to cease a pagan holiday. yet so many in the churches today celebrate them anyway.

I have truly found that when People truly follow JESUS they cant be deceived by men , no matter how they try and dress something up n a good way.

The ones who follow only the lamb......they see the wolfs doctrine for what it is.   GOD hates pagan pratices.  I stand with you sister,  I stand with you.

God never said............well for good times or peace, PRATICE the pagan religion.   Can anyone here IMAGINE JESUS IN A witch costume and handing out candy.

I HOPE NOT.   thanks for the wonderful truth wanda O1

[Zoltan777]

I am coming from a different side of the world where Halloween are celebrated completely  differently and probably that's way I have a big NO. We have no customs, no candies it's about mourning and remembering of the dead. On this day people are going to the cemetery to light up candles and to pray for their dead. It's called the day of the dead which coming from the catholic church but 'strangely' it was a pagan celebration previously where they believed this is the day when the livings can contact their dead. Traditional churches are still celebrating this event but as new born christian I deeply disagree with it. When I was kid of course I had to take part too and I remember the whole cemetery looked like big place for seance.  

My conclusion is Halloween/Day of the dead is coming from a pagan tradition where they tried to contact the spiritual word. It stayed in our society and changed a lot and so on....but it's coming from an evil root in which I don't want take part in any way. No customs no candy, no candles ...nothing. 

Edited July 30, 2017 by Zoltan777

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Blueyedjewel said:

haha I do what you what you and your wife do.  I hate halloween and all it stands for.

What upsets me a whole lot is when the "church" hands out candy on that day and just labels it differently with titles like "harvest day celebration".   Oct 31 needs to be ignored 100% by those who walk in the light!

Just my 2 cents...

 

Funny how your two cents is worth more than all the worlds gold.  TRUTH always IS.   TRUTH to be loved above all things.

Thank you sister for such wonderful sound advice. 

[Guest]

Just now, frienduff thaylorde said:

Funny how your two cents is worth more than all the worlds gold.  TRUTH always IS.   TRUTH to be loved above all things.

Thank you sister for such wonderful sound advice. 

Thank you brother.  If only my grown kids would listen to me.

 

[Guest Thallasa]

8 hours ago, Steve_K said:

Yeah, I know, its still July, but I've got a bug in my ear to talk about Halloween and share some thoughts.

I'm not going to cut and paste the entire history of Halloween because Wiki has all you need to know. BUT, suffice to say its a controversial topic among Christians.

Getting to the point, I don't have an issue with those churches or Christians who choose to have Halloween parties or go with the kids out to trick or treat. 

Paul said, (1st Cor. 6:12) "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

We have freedom in Christ, from the law. And we are free to decide for ourselves what honors God in our lives and what doesn't. As Paul says. not everything I do may not be good for me. This is why I think its best to leave Halloween up to the individual conscience. Yeah I know,  Halloween is "evil", etc. But I'm not about to condemn someone to the abyss because their kid is in a Halloween costume. 

In my church. the kids are given Halloween candy but are taught about the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther. I've always thought it was a great idea. So, there are ways to get around celebrating Halloween in the strictest sense.

Again, I just don't have a problem with kids being involved with Halloween activities.

 

Steve ,if all the customs which existed before Jesus came were denied, then the list of things we could not do would be like that long list, decided on by the pharisees  .The idea of halloew'een is based on the idea that on the eve of all saints ,the devil will come to steal the souls of christians ,so dressing up in disguise, is made fun of  while serving a useful purpose , warning children about the devil ,and allowing a bit of fun too with .

I have no idea what costumes are worn now ,but instead of the usual hysteria which seems to come from ignorance of true history  ,there is no reason not to have costumes  vetted to avoid extremes .

People need festivals ,and it is better that they should be harnessed in the cause of God ,than in the cause of the devil's idols ,so  many of which seem to be part of protestant culture , of the fundamentalist mentality ,the christian taliban .   

[Guest Thallasa]

You do know of course,  that Frederic Nietzsche , the 'father' of Nazism , was the product of a Lutheran father and grandfather .

[Steve_K]

7 hours ago, Thallasa said:

Steve ,if all the customs which existed before Jesus came were denied, then the list of things we could not do would be like that long list, decided on by the pharisees  .The idea of halloew'een is based on the idea that on the eve of all saints ,the devil will come to steal the souls of christians ,so dressing up in disguise, is made fun of  while serving a useful purpose , warning children about the devil ,and allowing a bit of fun too with .

I have no idea what costumes are worn now ,but instead of the usual hysteria which seems to come from ignorance of true history  ,there is no reason not to have costumes  vetted to avoid extremes .

People need festivals ,and it is better that they should be harnessed in the cause of God ,than in the cause of the devil's idols ,so  many of which seem to be part of protestant culture , of the fundamentalist mentality ,the christian taliban .   

In other words, you're saying you agree w/me. I'm not sure I've ever heard of the "Christian" taliban.

[Steve_K]

8 hours ago, Blueyedjewel said:

Amen sister! God certainly has never needed gimics! Its the way of the apostate church these days and not just on halloween! Gimics.

You have a right to your opinion, BUT, what I'm wondering is: did you trick or treat as a kid? I did. I still believe its harmless if the kids are made aware of what we need to focus on is God.

I wonder how it makes the kids feel when all their friends are out trick or treating and having innocent fun, and they are sitting home. Its like making them stay home from a Christmas party because Santa is there. 

[Steve_K]

7 hours ago, Thallasa said:

You do know of course,  that Frederic Nietzsche , the 'father' of Nazism , was the product of a Lutheran father and grandfather .

That was uncalled for. I'm Lutheran and I love my church.

[Steve_K]

11 hours ago, LadyKay said:

Goodness is it time for the Halloween debate already. Its not even September yet. 

I know, it was just on my mind.