I don't think Hell is eternal

[angels4u]

4 minutes ago, spiderman1917 said:

Scripture says what the fruits of the spirit are.  I test my spirit for the fruits of the spirit.

The only thing I'm trying to promote by this thread is God's love and mercy.

To believe people will be tortured for trillions and trillions of years does not make God look loving or merciful.

The only thing I see on this forum that I object to is what I find judgemental, intolerant, disturbing, depressing, and bigoted.

The only reason I posted those Scriptures was to demonstrate how the Bible leads people to opposite beliefs and is difficult to interpret and sometimes disturbing.

I'm only preaching love , mercy, and compassion, and when I read something that promotes the opposite, I don't follow it.

but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,1 Corinthians 1:23 

[spiderman1917]

3 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Spiderman,so many people did try to show you the truth ,why not study the Bible and ask God to show you His truth ,did you ever think they could be right?

You know the Bible is God Words and just believe it without asking questions, when you reach heaven there will be an eternity to ask question,most important thing is do you know where you go when you leave this earth? And why?

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;Proverbs 3:5
 

I read the Bible and ask God for guidance.  The God I know is love , mercy, gentleness, and compassion.  

When I read what is cruel, judgemental, bigoted, intolerant, and irrational, the spirit tells me to go with my conscience

[Unfailing Presence]

21 hours ago, spiderman1917 said:

...... just for not believing in him. 

SpiderMan,

A frightened child who is about to undergo a surgical procedure and who is comforted and assured by his loving father holding his hand telling him he will be there beside him through it all , and when he awakes will take him home  does not then contemplate     " just not believing him " .

This is the real issue you have swerved into .

Why we in our  fleshly  insufficiencies  , spiritual poverty & despair , minds consumed with earthly cares and anxieties would consider  :

                                             " ....just not believing in him "  ?

"Him"   who   " was moved with compassion on them , as sheep having no shepherd "  ?

There is an answer to that question 

Only when you are able to honestly answer that question from the depths of your own spiritual being will you be able to comprehend the  theme of separation found throughout the entire scripture :

good /evil ,  light / darkness,  sheep /goats ,  clean /unclean , holy / unholy .

Edited September 5, 2017 by Unfailing Presence

[Guest shiloh357]

11 minutes ago, spiderman1917 said:

Scripture says what the fruits of the spirit are.  I test my spirit for the fruits of the spirit.

The only thing I'm trying to promote by this thread is God's love and mercy.

To believe people will be tortured for trillions and trillions of years does not make God look loving or merciful.

The only thing I see on this forum that I object to is what I find judgemental, intolerant, disturbing, depressing, and bigoted.

The only reason I posted those Scriptures was to demonstrate how the Bible leads people to opposite beliefs and is difficult to interpret and sometimes disturbing.

I'm only preaching love , mercy, and compassion, and when I read something that promotes the opposite, I don't follow it.

Regardless of what you think, you are not in a position to sit in judgment on the Bible.  You clearly don't understand it and no intention on learning it.  Instead of seeking and asking questions, you presume judge the Bible according to your own fleshly, carnal heart.  

You need to get saved.

[spiderman1917]

I'm completely sickened and driven mad by the belief that people will be tortured forever.

I embraced that belief for years and  found it to be extremely toxic and terrible for my mental health!

[spiderman1917]

4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Regardless of what you think, you are not in a position to sit in judgment on the Bible.  You clearly don't understand it and no intention on learning it.  Instead of seeking and asking questions, you presume judge the Bible according to your own fleshly, carnal heart.  

You need to get saved.

I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior.  I have Jesus living within me.  Jesus is Lord and is guiding me.  Jesus atoned for my sins.

It is Biblical that I am saved.

Edited September 6, 2017 by spiderman1917

[angels4u]

9 minutes ago, spiderman1917 said:

I read the Bible and ask God for guidance.  The God I know is love , mercy, gentleness, and compassion.  

When I read what is cruel, judgemental, bigoted, intolerant, and irrational, the spirit tells me to go with my conscience

: "What is the conscience?"

Answer: The conscience is defined as that part of the human psyche that induces mental anguish and feelings of guilt when we violate it and feelings of pleasure and well-being when our actions, thoughts and words are in conformity to our value systems. The Greek word translated “conscience” in all New Testament references is suneidēsis, meaning “moral awareness” or “moral consciousness.” The conscience reacts when one’s actions, thoughts, and words conform to, or are contrary to, a standard of right and wrong. 

There is no Hebrew term in the Old Testament equivalent to suneidēsis in the New Testament. The lack of a Hebrew word for “conscience” may be due to the Jewish worldview, which was communal rather than individual. The Hebrew considered himself as a member of a covenant community that related corporately to God and His laws, rather than as an individual. In other words, the Hebrew was confident in his own position before God if the Hebrew nation as a whole was in good fellowship with Him. 

The New Testament concept of conscience is more individual in nature and involves three major truths. First, conscience is a God-given capacity for human beings to exercise self-evaluation. Paul refers several times to his own conscience being “good” or “clear” (Acts 23:1; 24:16; 1 Corinthians 4:4). Paul examined his own words and deeds and found them to be in accordance with his morals and value system, which were, of course, based on God’s standards. His conscience verified the integrity of his heart. 

Second, the New Testament portrays the conscience as a witness to something. Paul says the Gentiles have consciences that bear witness to the presence of the law of God written on their hearts, even though they did not have the Mosaic Law (Romans 2:14-15). He also appeals to his own conscience as a witness that he speaks the truth (Romans 9:1) and that he has conducted himself in holiness and sincerity in his dealings with men (2 Corinthians 1:12). He also says that his conscience tells him his actions are apparent to both God and the witness of other men’s consciences (2 Corinthians 5:11). 

Third, the conscience is a servant of the individual’s value system. An immature or weak value system produces a weak conscience, while a fully informed value system produces a strong sense of right and wrong. In the Christian life, one’s conscience can be driven by an inadequate understanding of scriptural truths and can produce feelings of guilt and shame disproportionate to the issues at hand. Maturing in the faith strengthens the conscience. 

This last function of the conscience is what Paul addresses in his instructions regarding eating food sacrificed to idols. He makes the case that, since idols are not real gods, it makes no difference if food has been sacrificed to them or not. But some in the Corinthian church were weak in their understanding and believed that such gods really existed. These immature believers were horrified at the thought of eating food sacrificed to the gods, because their consciences were informed by erroneous prejudices and superstitious views. Therefore, Paul encourages those more mature in their understanding not to exercise their freedom to eat if it would cause the consciences of their weaker brothers to condemn their actions. The lesson here is that, if our consciences are clear because of mature faith and understanding, we are not to cause those with weaker consciences to stumble by exercising the freedom that comes with a stronger conscience.

Another reference to conscience in the New Testament is to a conscience that is “seared” or rendered insensitive as though it had been cauterized with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:1-2). Such a conscience is hardened and calloused, no longer feeling anything. A person with a seared conscience no longer listens to its promptings, and he can sin with abandon, delude himself into thinking all is well with his soul, and treat others insensitively and without compassion.

As Christians, we are to keep our consciences clear by obeying God and keeping our relationship with Him in good standing. We do this by the application of His Word, renewing and softening our hearts continually. We consider those whose consciences are weak, treating them with Christian love and compassion.

https://www.gotquestions.org/conscience.html

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, spiderman1917 said:

I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior.  I have Jesus living within me.  Jesus is Lord and is guiding me.  Jesus atoned for my sins.

It is Biblical that I am saved.

Anyone can say that.  You don't bear that fruit.  And you would not insult and denigrate the Scriptures that testify of Christ if you were born again.

[angels4u]

16 minutes ago, spiderman1917 said:

I read the Bible and ask God for guidance.  The God I know is love , mercy, gentleness, and compassion.  

When I read what is cruel, judgemental, bigoted, intolerant, and irrational, the spirit tells me to go with my conscience

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 The God I know is love 

Is the God you know not my God?

The words you hear are not from the Holy Spirit,please open your Bible and ask God to show you the truth, do not be wise in your own eyes..

Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil.Proverbs 3:7

[spiderman1917]

8 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Anyone can say that.  You don't bear that fruit.  And you would not insult and denigrate the Scriptures that testify of Christ if you were born again.

You don't  know me in real life so you can't make that judgement.   I intercede for the world day and night and love people very much.  God is love.

It is true that I sin as well and make mistakes for which I apologise to God for.

At this time I can't embrace Scripture that is violent, bigoted, judgemental, condemning, and going against the golden rule.

God is love, so that is what I'm about is love.