Allah the Moon god of Arabia.

[just_abc]

8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

And that is unfortunate, given that God has revealed His Name in the Bible, 

hi Brother

Just a small note.

When Christians in Indonesia or malaysian Borneo use that term in a Christian context.. they are not using the term as a 'personal name' but rather similar to how the english word 'God' is used by english speaking Christians - i.e as a 'title' or whatever the correct term is.....not as a 'name'.  

For example in english language bibles such as the KJV or  NiV etc... the english word 'God' is used for verses such as Genesis 1:1 or John 3:16.  The english word 'God' is not being used as His 'name' but rather as a 'title' etc.

I think sometimes perhaps some confusion might arise among english speaking Christians from some western countries (and maybe some eastern countries too?).. because many might not realise that in some non-english languages a certain word is used as a 'title' and not as a 'name' by their fellow Christians when it is used in a Christian context in those languages.  

Sorry just wanted to explain.

Thanks for your patience.

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

6 minutes ago, just_abc said:

hi Brother

Just a small note.

When Christians in Indonesia or malaysian Borneo use that term in a Christian context.. they are not using the term as a 'personal name' but rather similar to how the english word 'God' is used by english speaking Christians - i.e as a 'title' or whatever the correct term is.....not as a 'name'.  

For example in english language bibles such as the KJV or  NiV etc... the english word 'God' is used for verses such as Genesis 1:1 or John 3:16.  The english word 'God' is not being used as His 'name' but rather as a 'title' etc.

I think sometimes perhaps some confusion might arise among english speaking Christians from some western countries (and maybe some eastern countries too?).. because many might not realise that in some non-english languages a certain word is used as a 'title' and not as a 'name' by their fellow Christians when it is used in a Christian context in those languages.  

Sorry just wanted to explain.

Thanks for your patience.

 

 

They should adopt the word "God" and drop the pagan "allah" reference.

[just_abc]

um.. That word has been used in a Christian context for possibly hundreds of years in south-east asia.  Why should Christians have to take an english language word and stick it in the middle of their language?  And what about the possible controversial origins of the english word itself?  If it is wrong for Indonesian Christians to use the Indonesian / arabic word for God.. wouldn't it also be equally wrong for them to use the english word too?  

 

Edited November 4, 2017 by just_abc

[Fatima]

On 10/12/2017 at 1:26 AM, shiloh357 said:

They should adopt the word "God" and drop the pagan "allah" reference.

That is quite arrogant of you and an ignorant suggestion. That would be very insulting to many Christians around the world. 

[ytLiJC]

On 9/21/2017 at 12:19 PM, KiwiChristian said:

Allah the Moon god of Arabia. Why is the moon the symbol of Islam?

Bible Reading: Deuteronomy 4:15-19.

www.youtube.com Allah - The Pagan Moon God (rednck13) Where did the Moon god Allah come from? Islam the false religion (franz karl)

ISLAM IS BAAL WORSHIP * Islam is Antichrist * They reject Jesus is the son of God (MrTrott2hot)

Introduction: The Quran (29:46) commands Muslims to tell Christians “say (to them): We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our ilah (God) and your Ilah (God) is One (ie. Allah), and to Him we have submitted.” This is an attempt to convert Christians to Islam.

Question: Is Allah, the god of Islam, the same as Jehovah, the God of Abraham and the Bible prophets?

Question: Why is Allah never defined in the Quran? Why did Mohammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was? If Allah was a pre-Islamic idol in the Kaba, then we reject Islam as pagan.

Question: Why did the pagan Arabs never accuse Mohammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped? This was Allah the moon god according to archaeological evidence.

1. Nabonidus (555-539BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma in Arabia as a centre of moon worship.

2. The moon-god’s name “Sin” is part of the Arabic word ‘Sinai’ & the ‘wilderness of Sin’ (Ex.16:1;17:1)

3. G. Caton Thompson (1944) uncovered a moon-god temple in Hureidha, South Arabia, with the moon god idol itself, 21 inscriptions of “Sin” & crescent moon symbols. ‘Tombs & Moon Temple of Hureidha’.

4. According to many inscriptions, while the name of the moon-god was “Sin”, his title was “Al-Ilah” (the god or the chief god among the gods). As Carlton S. Coon points out “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the moon-god.” (C.S.Coon, Southern Arabia, Smithsonian, 1944, p.398,399). The moon-god was called “al-ilah” (the god), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times.

5. Pagan Arabs named their children after the idol “Allah”. Moh father & cousin were called ‘Abd-Allah’. His uncle was called Obied-Allah. Mohammad was raised in the moon-god religion of Allah. Pagan Arabs believed Allah was the greatest of all gods. Mohammad added that Allah was the only god. He did not take away the Allah that they already worshipped. He only took away Allah’s 3 daughters and the other idols in the Kabah. Mohammad told the pagan Arabs that he still believed in their moon-god Allah. He told Jews & Christians that Allah was their god also. Jews and Christians rejected his false god Allah.

6. Al-Kindi, an early Christian debater of Muslims, stated that Islam and Allah did not come from the Bible, but from the pagan Sabeans. They did not worship Jehovah, the God of the Bible, but the moon-god Allah and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. (The Early Christian-Muslim debates, N.A.Newman, p.357,413,426). Newman concludes, “Islam …sprung up from idolatry.” (p 719).

7. Caesar Farah, Islamic scholar, concludes, “There is no reason to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and the Jews.” (C Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observations, 1987, p.28). Question: Where is Allah in the Bible? Nowhere! Where is Allah in pre-Islamic Arabia? Everywhere. What authority do pagan pre-Islamic Arabs have to tell us about the God of the Bible? None!

8. Why is the crescent moon the symbol of Islam? Why is a crescent moon on top of Sunni mosques, minarets and on Islamic flags? Why does Ramadan begin and end with the appearance of the crescent moon? Because Islam originates from pre-Islamic worship of Allah the moon-god.

9. Why do Muslims see no problem with borrowing their god from pagan idol worshippers? Bias!

10. Why did the Quran discuss Allah’s three daughters, each being idols in the Kaba? Allah is pagan. “Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-Uzza (2 idols of the pagan Arabs) and Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs)?” (Q 53:19,20). Allah the moon god married the sun goddess, who had 3 daughters.
Al-Uzza was one of the three chief goddesses of Arabian religion in pre-Islamic times and was worshiped as one of the daughters of Allah by the pre-Islamic Arabs along with Al-lat and Manat. The temple dedicated to al-Uzza and the statue itself was destroyed by Khalid ibn al Walid in Nakhla.

11. The Quraysh would walk around the Ka‘bah and say, “By al-Lat and al-Uzza, And al-Manat, the third idol besides. Verily they are al-gharaniq (most exalted females) Whose intercession is to be sought.” Their shrines were found near Mecca: Al-Lat at Taif, al-Uzza at Nakhlah and al-Manat near Qudayd.

12. Many rituals performed by Muslims today existed in pagan worship in Arabia before Islam. The yearly pagan pilgrimage to the Kabah included the Ramadan fast, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, praying five times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers (10). 13. All over the ancient world, the crescent moon is found on seals, steles, pottery, clay tablets, amulets, cylinders, weights,earrings, necklaces,wall murals. In Ur, the Stela of Nammu has a moon as the top god.

 

every religious worshiper (whoever he or she may be - even if they are christians) that doesn't adhere to the universal principles of faith (when practicing faith) risks falling under the same condemnation with the ones who commit spiritual lawlessness/wickedness

the religious worshiper has to be careful not to commit unrighteousness in the faith, and there are pertinent questions that they should ask themselves, such as:

is there only one (true) God?!

if so, then are there anyway (many) other gods/lords(christs)/spirits besides the true One?!

if so, then is it possible that they turn out to be misleading?!

so isn't it better for me to be careful not to trust and not to worship any other god, lord(christ), jesus or spirit besides the One Who is really the true Lord God?!

(note: this has been the first universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:3, 1 John 5:19-21)

and even if i seek, invoke and try to be/stay faithful to the One Who is really the true God, isn't it a betrayal against Him if i follow any spiritual/religious theory or spiritual/religious practice that is not entirely of Him?!

isn't it a worship of (an) idol(s) if i follow a spiritual/religious theory or spiritual/religious practice that comes not from the true One?!

what may happen or what may the result be if i worship another god, lord(christ) or spirit, or if i follow spiritual/religious theories/practices that are not of the true Lord God?! - isn't it thus possible to cause the appearance of evil spirit(s) in the world or bring curse, stumbling block, defilement or temptation to humans?!

(note: this has been the second universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:4-6, 2 Peter 2:1-2, Romans 14:10-23)

shouldn't i be careful not to be a temptation, curse, offense or stumbling block (with my faith or spiritual/religious activity/tradition) to others?!

isn't it possible for a person to cause evil to others (entirely) in a spiritual way (for example if he or she practices some kind of occultism, idolatry or heretical religion, or uses the services of people that practice such things)?!

is it right for a person practicing faith to seek their own profit without providing salvation to abundant life for others?!

shouldn't i be careful not to use the faith in vain?!, because mayn't it turn out that the true God doesn't consider selfish religious worshipers (to be) sinless?!, because what if i work for my own salvation while many people around me suffer and die ('cause i don't care about them)?!

(note: this has been the third universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:7, 1 Corinthians 10:24, 1 Corinthians 10:32-33)

mayn't it turn out that there is a need for overall sanctification and salvation?! - mayn't it turn out that the true God wants religious worshipers and spiritual servants to work for all-embracing sanctification and salvation?!

(note: this is the fourth universal principle of faith - Exodus 20:8-11, 1 Timothy 2:1-10)

etc.

Blessings

Edited November 11, 2017 by ytLiJC

[KiwiChristian]

4 hours ago, ytLiJC said:

 

every religious worshiper (whoever he or she may be - even if they are christians) that doesn't adhere to the universal principles of faith (when practicing faith) risks falling under the same condemnation with the ones who commit spiritual lawlessness/wickedness

the religious worshiper has to be careful not to commit unrighteousness in the faith, and there are pertinent questions that they should ask themselves, such as:

is there only one (true) God?!

if so, then are there somehow many other gods/lords(christs)/spirits besides the true One?!

if so, then is it possible that they turn out to be misleading?!

so isn't it better for me to be careful not to trust and not to worship any other god, lord(christ), jesus or spirit besides the One Who is really the true Lord God?!

(note: this has been the first universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:3, 1 John 5:19-21)

and even if i seek, invoke and try to be/stay faithful to the One Who is really the true God, isn't it a betrayal against Him if i follow any spiritual/religious theory or spiritual/religious practice that is not entirely of Him?!

isn't it a worship of (an) idol(s) if i follow a spiritual/religious theory or spiritual/religious practice that comes not from the true One?!

what may happen or what may the result be if i worship another god, lord(christ) or spirit, or if i follow spiritual/religious theories/practices that are not of the true Lord God?! - isn't it thus possible to cause the appearance of evil spirit(s) in the world or bring curse, stumbling block, defilement or temptation to humans?!

(note: this has been the second universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:4-6, 2 Peter 2:1-2, Romans 14:10-23)

shouldn't i be careful not to be a temptation, curse, offense or stumbling block (with my faith or spiritual/religious activity/tradition) to others?!

isn't it possible for a person to cause evil to others (entirely) in a spiritual way (for example if he or she practices some kind of occultism, idolatry or heretical religion, or uses the services of people that practice such things)?!

is it right for a person practicing faith to seek their own profit without providing salvation to abundant life for others?!

shouldn't i be careful not to use the faith in vain?!, because mayn't it turn out that the true God doesn't consider selfish religious worshipers (to be) sinless?!, because what if i work for my own salvation while many people around me suffer and die ('cause i don't care about them)?!

(note: this has been the third universal principle of faith thus far - Exodus 20:7, 1 Corinthians 10:24, 1 Corinthians 10:32-33)

mayn't it turn out that there is a need for overall sanctification and salvation?! - mayn't it turn out that the true God wants religious worshipers and spiritual servants to work for all-embracing sanctification and salvation?!

(note: this is the fourth universal principle of faith - Exodus 20:8-11, 1 Timothy 2:1-10)

etc.

Blessings

Are these serious questions or rhetorical?

[ytLiJC]

2 hours ago, KiwiChristian said:

Are these serious questions or rhetorical?

 

there is a whole teaching in the process of the correct practice of faith - issues and questions, such as the ones mentioned above, surface/spring up, and relevant answers emerge, in the heart/mind of the religious worshiper one after another, and he or she understands and learns more and more about the difference between good and evil, the discernment of the "(true) Light" and the "darkness", and how to act - of course if they follow the universal principle(s) of correctness and don't give up

Blessings

[KiwiChristian]

4 hours ago, ytLiJC said:

 

there is a whole teaching in the process of the correct practice of faith - issues and questions, such as the ones mentioned above, surface/spring up, and relevant answers emerge, in the heart/mind of the religious worshiper one after another, and he or she understands and learns more and more about the difference between good and evil, the discernment of the "(true) Light" and the "darkness", and how to act - of course if they follow the universal principle(s) of correctness and don't give up

Blessings

that doesnt answer my question.

 

do you want me to answer your questions?

 

remember, this thread is about whether allah and Jehovah the same.

[ytLiJC]

44 minutes ago, KiwiChristian said:

that doesnt answer my question.

do you want me to answer your questions?

remember, this thread is about whether allah and Jehovah the same.

 

on the one hand, islam was a kind of union between edom and moab - the edomites were jews that seceded from israel, while the moabites were the clerics and worshipers of the spiritual/religious tradition of persia, which is why part of the wisdom and the spiritual terminology in the quran seems typical of the persian tradition - for example, the doctrine of jinn

on the other hand, muhammad, albeit a prophet of edom and moab, tried to join people of those two worlds as much as possible with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

so it's hard to say, and nevertheless there was definitely some approach to the true God; however, we can work for overall salvation in the One Who is really the true Lord God, which is the best thing, moreover, we anyway have to

Blessings

[heretoeternity]

On ‎21‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 9:39 AM, other one said:

But they do not refer  to the same entity

Sure they do..Allah is God in Arabic...