sniper shooting in vegas

[Equippers]

On 10/3/2017 at 2:58 AM, Yowm said:

Here comes the anti-gun brigade.

anti-gun brigade?

you meant people who think there should be sensible and rational policies on ownership of guns?

[Equippers]

On 10/3/2017 at 4:29 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

It didn't take ex-government hack Democrat Joe Biden long to come out blaming guns, not the shooter for the incident.

Source: Big Government Can Solve Every Woe Known to Man, Woman, and Other

the whole argument"gun don't kill people, people kill people" used by Conservatives and many Christians on "why" there should not be a sensible gun control policy is a complete fallacy

it is NOT about blaming the gun, not the shooter, how ludicrous for you to make this kind of statement?

if this is the case, why do you think the shooter killed himself? if he thinks HALF of the USA is going to place the blame on the weapon he used rather than the fact that it was HIM who pulled the trigger? DUH!

now it is true that guns in some ways are merely a neutral instrument, it is ultimately the sinful nature of men that is the problem

however, does that mean there should be no policies that help address that sinful nature of men could lead to abuse of weapon which led to tragedy such as this?

it is the access to guns that is the problem here

recently i watched this old Front line documentary on US's effort to fight crystal meth epidemic that has been spreading through US. one of the way they are combating this epidemic is restrict people's access to this particular drugs, including putting the common cold medicine that contains ingredients that could be used to cook up crystal meth, which in turns helps to contain the epidemic

or do you think the US government should be using the same logic many of you are using, and that is crystal meth don't kill people, it is people who chose to use it that kill themselves, therefore it makes absolutely no sense for US to tackle this problem by restricting access to this particular drugs including access to the key ingredient that is needed to make this drug?

lastly, if this whole idea that guns don't kill people, people kill people is true, then can you think of another Western country that has the problem of mass shooting and individual shootings like US?

can you even name one?

if you can't, then why is it?

no offense, even a person with the IQ of 30 (and you come across as very intelligent) could tell the difference between US and other Western countries is the fact ownership of guns is so rampant, and it is much much easier to gain access to an firearm

so please, drop the whole rubbish argument that gun don't kill people, people kill people argument

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MorningGlory]

1 hour ago, Kris said:

Was Las Vegas a Jihad Attack?

There is scant reason to doubt ISIS’ claim of responsibility.

October 3, 2017

Robert Spencer

Memphis imam Yasir Qadhi said that the Las Vegas massacre was a manifestation of “white privilege.” Texas imam Omar Suleiman tweeted ridicule of ISIS’ claim of responsibility for the attack: “Breaking: ISIS claims responsibility for hurricane Harvey saying he became Muslim days before hitting Houston.”

They didn’t ridicule the ISIS claim, but unnamed U.S. officials did decisively dismiss it: Reuters reported that “two senior US officials said on Monday that there was no evidence that the shooter who killed at least 50 people in Las Vegas was tied to any international militant group….One of the two US officials discounted Islamic State’s claim of responsibility and said there was reason to believe that the shooter, whom police identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, had a history of psychological problems.”

The only one insisting that the Islamic State was responsible was the Islamic State itself. Its Amaq news agency initially announced: “The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition. The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago.”

Then, after its initial claim was dismissed everywhere, the Islamic State doubled down, issuing an official communiqué identifying Paddock as “Abu Abd Abdulbar al-Ameriki.” Even after their claim was dismissed everywhere, they didn’t back away from it. They don’t seem to be afraid that Stephen Paddock will turn out to be a white supremacist neo-Nazi or some such. They don’t seem to be worried about being exposed as grandiose liars.

And historically, they haven’t been liars, at least when they claimed responsibility for jihad attacks. Islamic State expert Graeme Wood notes in The Atlantic that “the idea that the Islamic State simply scans the news in search of mass killings, then sends out press releases in hope of stealing glory, is false,” and that those who claim that ISIS is in the habit of taking credit for attacks it had nothing to do with “do not have a preponderance of prior examples on their side.” Contradicting Suleiman’s ridicule, Wood notes: “The Islamic State does not claim natural disasters. Its supporters rejoice in them, but they reserve their official media for intentional acts.” Cont...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268037/was-las-vegas-jihad-attack-robert-spencer

ISIS claims responsibility for a lot of things.  I'll wait for FBI confirmation.

[MorningGlory]

11 minutes ago, Equippers said:

so please, drop the whole rubbish argument that gun don't kill people, people kill people argument

 

Please post an example of a gun getting up one morning and saying 'guess I'll go kill some people today' and THEN your statements will make sense. 

[MorningGlory]

38 minutes ago, Equippers said:

anti-gun brigade?

you meant people who think there should be sensible and rational policies on ownership of guns?

I think Yowm means the anti 2nd Amendment libs who pop up like mushrooms every time something happens like in Las Vegas. 

[other one]

I don't know what is behind it but it did happen....

[Omegaman 3.0]

Below is a table showing the number of murders with weapons of choice used in them.
Year	2008	2009	2010	2011	2012
Murder Weapon
Rifle	380	351	367	332	322
Blunt Object	603	623	549	502	518
Knives	1,888	1,836	1,732	1,716	1,589
Notice that blunt objects are used 2 to 3 times as often, as rifles are. Now, think about the fact that assault rifles, would only be a portion of the total of rifles. Fully autofire rifles, would be a fraction of those. Of course, this event in Las Vegas, is an anomaly, and it is a huge one. However, even it that anomaly is added into any of the above years, rifles will still be less often used to kill people, than knives or blunt objects. Now, of course, knives and blunt objects, are much more personal, not used at distance, and typically not used in mass killings. It seems at times as though, we do not really care about the people killed personally, they are not spectacular, like mass murder is. Bombs are exciting. Shooting randomly into a croud, that gets our attention. Fly a jumbo jet into a skyscraper, and you really get coverage! What about all the people who die mostly unnoticed? How do progressive countries like the U.K., do people ever get killed there? If so, how? How about Canada, do they have a lower murder rate that the U.S.? If so is that because of the number of guns, or something different in the culture? Should we institute background checks and waiting periods, before Home Depot can sell a hammer? Should we force people to purchase knife safes and lock up the kitchen knives, or maybe install edge guards that require a key to remove? I do not have the answers, but I do think it is not these objects that kill, it is people who do, some even strangle others, do not even need a weapon. Clearly, the problem is really not the instrument, it is a problem with the sinful nature of mankind.

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Equippers said:

the whole argument"gun don't kill people, people kill people" used by Conservatives and many Christians on "why" there should not be a sensible gun control policy is a complete fallacy

Really?  I'd really like you to show me one incident where a gun, without being in the control of a person, purposely killed anyone.  Just one incident. 

If I place a loaded gun on a table, all by itself, it cannot pull it's own trigger.  Put it in the hands of a person, the trigger can be pulled.  Guns have to have an operator to work, be it a human or mechanical operated by a human in one form or another.  Humans kill, and if you take all the guns away, you will then have more knives, bats, crowbars, spears, bow and arrows, etc.  Seriously, sin is what kills, not the tool being used.

The cry of fallacy is a very sad cry on your part.

[missmuffet]

28 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Really?  I'd really like you to show me one incident where a gun, without being in the control of a person, purposely killed anyone.  Just one incident. 

If I place a loaded gun on a table, all by itself, it cannot pull it's own trigger.  Put it in the hands of a person, the trigger can be pulled.  Guns have to have an operator to work, be it a human or mechanical operated by a human in one form or another.  Humans kill, and if you take all the guns away, you will then have more knives, bats, crowbars, spears, bow and arrows, etc.  Seriously, sin is what kills, not the tool being used.

The cry of fallacy is a very sad cry on your part.

Yes, it is the person who has the gun in their possession. And believe me many, many should not have a gun in their possession because that is dangerous. There have been many news articles where a person has an anger issue and snaps just because someone was not pumping their gas fast enough or a person was going too slow on the highway. But there will always be guns illegally. If you know the right person and you have the money they will get a person a gun.

[ayin jade]

3 hours ago, Equippers said:

lastly, if this whole idea that guns don't kill people, people kill people is true, then can you think of another Western country that has the problem of mass shooting and individual shootings like US?

can you even name one?

if you can't, then why is it?

 

Mexico

And guns are illegal there