I Thes 5:22

[Guest Butero]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Butero and Shiloh........I didn't word that quite properly........didn't really mean that Jesus NEVER concerned Himself with outward appearance, that is not precise....what I meant was that He didn't hold himself to a rule to never appear to others to be doing evil.  What He did do was to do what He saw the Father doing, ie, followed and obeyed the Holy Spirit even if it did (which it often did) make Him appear to others to be doing wrong.  Examples were given and there are many more.......goodness He even appeared to be mentally ill (a sign of judgment under the Law).  Anyhow, bless you all, I'll leave it there.

I have a question for you.  What are you referring to when you said, "He even appeared to be mentally ill?"  I have no idea what you are talking about.  

[Guest Butero]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

I am making that distinction.  The word for "evil" in I Thess 5:22 pertains to how God defines "evil."  So we are to avoid what appears evil to God.   There is no way we can control how others perceive us.   Jesus never took on the appearance of evil in terms of what appears evil to God.   The standard of Scripture is what Jesus lived by.  That is what we need to agree on.

That is a good way of explaining it.  I am certainly in agreement with that.  

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

Who did I ask earlier what Bible they read  ? ( I honestly don't remember).

Anyway,  the point is this:  in any and every translation,  for 'research'/proving God's Word,

look up all the instances of the word "obey". (and others related if desired)

It is not what you think, or as you think,  I think....

 

\o/  Shama!  Shama Israel!  Hear, listen, hearken!  I think I understand the implication brother......it should come naturally as breathing rather than as a self-conscious, self-righteous kind of deliberate outward action.  Yes, the word obey in English doesn't quite capture the subtlety.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

Not really.  I don't know what is going on with this individual.  He comes out and says things, and then acts like he never did to the point of demanding proof.  You give him proof and he generally ignores it.  I don't know if it is forgetfulness or he thinks others forgot what he said or they are unable to use the quote function.  

I could be wrong, but I almost think that the answers he is giving are coming from web-sites, possibly Catholic apologetics, and when what he says can be easily proven wrong, he loses it, and just repeats the same mess over and over again like it was never shown to be wrong.  

We are not wrestling with flesh and blood...........but with powers and principalities that hold people captive.

[brakelite]

KJV 1 Peter 4
14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
 

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

 

 

Oy vey, I'm getting tied up in knots again.......but never mind. I certainly agree that Jesus would never do anything that God considers to be evil, yes and amen.  

[simplejeff]

And Jesus always spoke the Father's Word, and always DID what the Father told Him or wanted Him to DO.

He did obey ABBA YHWH ELOHIM, all the time, without fail, without sin, without doubt, without hesitation.

Perfectly.

[Heleadethme]

18 minutes ago, Butero said:

I have a question for you.  What are you referring to when you said, "He even appeared to be mentally ill?"  I have no idea what you are talking about.  

Yes, it's in scripture, some thought he was mentally ill.......

Mark 3:20-22

And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.

And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

(Like Paul too who said if he is beside himself it is for Christ, whether in his right mind or out of it, it is for Christ)

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

I have a question for you.  What are you referring to when you said, "He even appeared to be mentally ill?"  I have no idea what you are talking about.  

Butero.  SHE is not saying it seemed like he was mentally ill to her.   THEY thought he was beside himself, they thought he had a demon.

that is what she meant .

[simplejeff]

7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Butero.  SHE is not saying it seemed like he was mentally ill to her.   THEY thought he was beside himself, they thought he had a demon.

that is what she meant .

Note that that still happen today, in this day and age we are living in.  People and familiy actually in reality

believe their other family members who are true believers are 'crazy', to put it most polite for here.

They will even deliver their own father or son or mother or brother over to death (like in nazi Germany they did often - it also happens all around the world today) ....