The Sabbath ???

[MyLordsServant]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

In other words, you pick and chose which ones you try and keep and which ones you dismiss as not applying to you.

In other words, no your assumption is wrong.

[Omegaman 3.0]

1 hour ago, Hobie_ said:

So is it ok to ignore the law and commit adultery, and kill and steal.

Of course that is what he was saying Hobie , if that is how you interpret words and intentions, please do not try to tell others what the Bible means to say.

[MyLordsServant]

1 minute ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Of course that is what he was saying Hobie , if that is how you interpret words and intentions, please do not try to tell others what the Bible means to say.

I think you missed his sarcasm. 

 

[MyLordsServant]

Just now, Cobalt1959 said:

I said SDA's because I meant SDA's.  I realize there are other denominations that teach Sabbath-keeping besides SDA's, but most of them are not as ardently militant about spreading their false doctrine to other Christians in an attempt to con them into joining them in their error.

When you use the word, "applicable," yes, you are picking and choosing which commandments you obey and which you dismiss.  When you chain yourself to the Law, you get all the commandments, not just 10, at no extra cost to you.  There isn't even a separate shipping fee.  You get the matching set of all 613 of them, and if you are not keeping all of them, then you are not keeping any of them.

Every Sabbath denier I see, only says "SDA". But I see your point, thanks for clearing it.

Applicable. For example: law which requires the tabernacle, is not applicable, as there is no tabernacle. Laws which were given to Jews, are not applicable to gentiles. 

[MyLordsServant]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

It wasn't sarcasm.  Hobie is a long-time poster at Grace-Centered Forum and he meant what he said exactly as written.

Looks like sarcasm. I don't think Hobie is actually going to kill, steal, and commit adultery.

Or maybe he is, let's hope not.

[Omegaman 3.0]

48 minutes ago, MyLordsServant said:

I think you missed his sarcasm. 

 

No, I did not, not at all, but the point is made, that he is misrepresenting what was intended, as a means to make him appear inconsistent or hypocritical, or selective. You do not (generally) attack a person's position, by refuting points he is not making.

[MyLordsServant]

1 minute ago, Cobalt1959 said:

Odd, since the Sabbath was a law given only to the Jews, and no one else.  And yet you are telling us we need to keep the Sabbath in a way that was never dictated to the Church.

When you attach yourself to the law by saying you have to attend church on a certain day, you get the whole law.  You don't get any options.  Why do you think God allowed the 2nd Temple to be destroyed?  Perhaps as a firm assertion that we were now to rely on Jesus' finished work on the Cross instead of our own works?  You are saying we have to "keep" the Sabbath.  When you do that, you don't get the option of saying "Well, there is no Temple now, so I don't have to do that whole pesky sacrifice thing."  Yes you do.  Of course, you can't, physically, so you can't actually keep the Sabbath that way, and no one else can either so the day is pointless, no matter which day you pick.  No one who claims to be "keeping" the Sabbath in that way is actually doing so.

You are telling everyone they have to keep the Sabbath, so explain to us how you do so, according to biblical dictates.

Genesis 2:3

"Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."

In Genesis 2:3, there were no Jews. Also at no point in scripture, did God un-sanctify or un-bless the 7th day. 

Aside from that, Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath. Not how to get rid of it. If you say he taught the Sabbath because they were Jews, you make all other commandments invalid, as they were also only given to Jews.

When I say keep the Sabbath, I say keep it how Jesus taught to keep it.

How he perfected the Sabbath, and taught "Sabbath was made for man". Not, "Sabbath was made for Jew".

[4LdKHVCzRDj2]

1 hour ago, MyLordsServant said:

Saying you don't need to follow any rules, and you can run around and live however you want, is part of the OSAS doctrine.

Please, who will think like this is a carnal minded person. We all know what we should do and not, if His Spirit is in us then we will not desire to follow the evil desires of the flesh (and we shouldn't).

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit." - Romans 8:5

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13

 

1 hour ago, MyLordsServant said:

Do you do what Jesus says? What did Jesus say: "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Don't you think there is some lack of logic there?! Why would Jesus come, fulfill the law, give His life and say to you: "Now, if you want to enter life keep the law you already failed to keep".

Yes, we already failed... And if anyone seek to be justified by deeds of the law he must never fail, never.

"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." - Romans 3:20

 

The Lord Jesus came to fulfill it and to shed His blood for all of us, so we could live under a new covenant - under His grace.

"And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit." - John 20:22

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." - 2 Corinthians 3:5-6

 

And it is through faith in Him that we are saved. Follow the Lord Jesus!

"that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." - Romans 8:4

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." - John 10:27-28

 

God bless you!

[HAZARD]

If the Sabbath, the seventh day was so important to Jesus, why did He first appear to His disciples on the first day of the week, Sunday.

 

John 20:19, Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

And the Holy Ghost descended upon the people  on Pentecost, a Sunday.

Acts 2:1-4, v.1, And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    2, And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    3, And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    4, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

"You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. " (Leviticus 23:15-16).

Colossians 2:13-17. v.13, And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
    15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
    16, ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[MyLordsServant]

23 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

Don't you think there is some lack of logic there?!

Jesus said it, not me.

24 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

Yes, we already failed... And if anyone seek to be justified by deeds of the law he must never fail, never.

"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." - Romans 3:20

 

I don't follow the law to be justified.

You're misusing that quote. It's regarding those who seek to be justified by law, instead of righteousness from God through Jesus.