To OneGodBeliever- the list you gave me

[TheMatrixHasU71]

4 hours ago, OneGodBeliever said:

How is it difficult to understand. God wished Mary to have a son without father and said Be and he came into existence in Mary's womb. It was a sign from God to the people. When people accused Mary of the child as she was not married, Jesus as an infant spoke in defence of Mary.

 

We do not take the meaning of word from Bible.

"…O Mary!  Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..." (Quran 3:45)

"…The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary..." (Quran 4:171)

"…God gives you good news of (a son whose name is) John, (who comes) to confirm a word from God…" (Quran 3:39)

Really the same thing. You cant play semantics here. 

And as for the other comment about sons of God the others were created sons of God, like the angels, but Jesus is BEGOTTEN and called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son (John 3:16)

Edited April 18, 2018 by TheMatrixHasU71

[Patrick Miron]

On 4/17/2018 at 9:25 AM, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

This is a list of "contradictions" in the bible that OneGod PM'd to me. 

I dont have a lot of time to answer them quickly, not having the internet at home so I thought I'd post the list here. I stopped for the moment at #7 I dont mind continuing on, but its such a long list if anyone wants to help out, be my guest

 

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 21:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?

Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?

One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?

Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?

Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?

Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)

 

 

 

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[OneGodBeliever]

12 hours ago, Mishael said:

Psalm 2:7 is a prophecy about Jesus, so it's still talking about Jesus Christ.

The whole Psalms is about King David. You cannot interpret it as per your need.

[OneGodBeliever]

12 hours ago, Mishael said:

Psalm 2:7 is a prophecy about Jesus, so it's still talking about Jesus Christ.

No my friend. You can't interpret it as per your wish. It's about King David. Read what your scholars have said

[Mishael]

1 hour ago, OneGodBeliever said:

No my friend. You can't interpret it as per your wish. It's about King David. Read what your scholars have said

My scholars say its about Jesus since David and Jesus are of the same bloodline. You can interpret it as you wish, the answer is quite clear the whole chapter of psalms is practically predicting the messiah who is Jesus.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Mishael

[OneGodBeliever]

26 minutes ago, Mishael said:

My scholars say its about Jesus since David and Jesus are of the same bloodline. You can interpret it as you wish, the answer is quite clear the whole chapter of psalms is practically predicting the messiah who is Jesus.

No problem. Many others are also sons

1.Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.

2.Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.

3.Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

[OneGodBeliever]

11 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

"…O Mary!  Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..." (Quran 3:45)

"…The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary..." (Quran 4:171)

"…God gives you good news of (a son whose name is) John, (who comes) to confirm a word from God…" (Quran 3:39)

Really the same thing. You cant play semantics here. 

And as for the other comment about sons of God the others were created sons of God, like the angels, but Jesus is BEGOTTEN and called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son (John 3:16)

What do you mean begotten? Please alaborate. In dictionary it means

 (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

[OneGodBeliever]

14 hours ago, GeorgeTwo said:

Sura 6: 100,101 -- Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!; To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.

That's correct. How can God have a son when God does not have a wife?

[Debp]

1 hour ago, OneGodBeliever said:

That's correct. How can God have a son when God does not have a wife?

 

The Virgin Birth was a miracle so God needs no wife.  As Jesus said, "With God all things are possible."

Also, about Psalm 2, it is known as a Messianic Psalm....having to do with prophecies of the Messiah.  Note verse 12: "Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little.  Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him."

Edited April 19, 2018 by Debp

[GeorgeTwo]

3 hours ago, OneGodBeliever said:

That's correct. How can God have a son when God does not have a wife?

YHWH does not need a wife in order to have a son.  He brought about the miracle of the conception of Jesus by His power.

Why does your Allah need a wife in order to have a son; doesn't your Allah just say "be" and it is?

In my opinion, the fuss over the word "begotten" (monogenes) proves that the one true God (YHWH) had nothing to do with the production of the Qur'an.  Christians do not believe God had sex with Mary and Jesus was the result, as the Qur'an implies; YHWH, who is all-knowing, would never have made that mistake.