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[Gideon]

59 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

Let me see if I'm understanding this. If one says he does not want to take the Lords name in vain being sin, he replaces it by saying gosh darn it or dad burnit is no then actually saying God name in vain. Just asking

If one’s intent was to “get away with taking  the Lord’s name in vain” and substituted any Word He wanted, it would still be sin. If his intent was not inreference to the Lord at all, but was using an idiom innocently, he was not sinning. It all has to do with the thoughts and intents of the heart, amen? 

Gideon

[Gideon]

13 hours ago, angels4u said:

This is what I told Gideon too, our conscience and not obeying God are 2 different things, it is called using Gods name in vain..

 

 

“And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.”

Isaiah 29:18-21

[warrior12]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

Brother, if you were not serious about asking if it is possible, you simply had to tell me. Do you not see our entire armor is Jesus Himself? That is why we are told to put on the whole armor of God AND we are told to put on the Lord Jesus Christ.

The shield of faith is a defensive piece of armor that holds Satan at bay  and protects us from his arrows fo temptation and his accusations as to our impending failure. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

When you are at war, a soldier has to have his full suite of armor on.  The shield of faith is a part of that armor. It is the part where your salvation is embedded  and you remind the devil to whom you belong to with your faithfulness.  

However, leaving out the word of God or righteousness or truthfulness, are still room for the enemy to attack and send his arrows.  When you are talking about scriptural defenses, Paul has mentioned those items explicitly for a reason, as to let the reader know what must be done.  So you mentioning your reason for failure has to also state the full reason.    

You do know that the devil trembles at the word of God. So when you are in spiritual warfare, and you quote or mention scripture, it is part of the shield.  Don't bypass the rest of the armor as believers would only think that faith would be sufficient to quench the fiery darts, and not the full armor of God, which includes faith.

If you are generalizing and saying the shield of faith is all you need which implies the full armor then you are not heeding the scriptural verses mentioned. I was merely pointing out part of the reason for failure.  Faith is  the foundation upon which we build a solid defense, but there are others that completes the structure.  

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by warrior12

[Behold]

19 hours ago, angels4u said:

Taking the Lord’s name in vain is to speak of God with irreverence or disrespect. Many have traditionally understood the exclamation “Oh my God!” to be sinful, because it has nothing to do with a proper, reverent use of God’s name.

 

 

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Actually, that is a wrong understanding.

Here is the thing...... a lot of unbelievers as well as believers have misunderstood this concept...."taking the Lord's (or God's name) in vain"

And all who have not understood this, misunderstand it exactly the same way.

This is what they think it means...    = "To take the Lord's name in Vain, is to use the Lord's name as curse word....." such as hearing "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" in a movie as an expression of frustration or anger or contempt.

Or, the word "Gd-Dm".... they also think, when this is applied in the same manner, is "taking the Lord's name in vain"......., but this is not the case.

So, what is the case?.....what is it exactly to take the Lord's name , in vain??

Well, you have to understand THIS PART of that verse....."To TAKE"....

To take what?.....>"The LORD's NAME".

And how do you take it?...."In VAIN"..

Now, how to understand this, is very simple........ think of it like this......"how do you take a wife, or a husband"?....

You take them by a PLEDGE of TRUTH, and this pledge unites the 2 as ONE......, as that is how you "TAKE someone's name"......its a union., a pledge, and a "oneness".

The woman changes her NAME to the Man's last name.....as she has by vow, by union, by earthly and later after consummation, spiritually TAKEN HIS NAME, as her name. = "2 have become one"...= NAME

So, if you take a vow, a pledge, or the Lord's Name, to yourself, you have Joined him, in verbal and life, commitment.., exactly like a marriage.

You've taken His NAME, as you are the BRIDE, and Jesus is the BRIDE GROOM, and the Bride takes the NAME of the Groom, when MARRIED, or when BORN AGAIN...

See it?

So, to do this in VAIN, is to be a FAKE.

In other words, its someone who is PRETENDING to have a RELATIONSHIP and a Commitment with God and Christ, by taking their name, as if you and they are "ONE".., when in fact this person is NOT at all.

It is not being a backslider, or a wayward believer, as they are "one" because they are born again INTO God and Christ as eternally "one".

So this "taking the name in Vain" is more extreme then being a hypocrite, as its actually  pretending to (take His Name) =  pretending to belong to God.

These are the ones who did the Christian deeds, talked the Christian talk, but were never born again, and Jesus said of these...."I NEVER KNEW YOU"..!

SEE IT?

It IS THAT someone who does not understand "grace through faith" or Titus 3:5, or Romans 3:21-28,  and is instead engaged in trying to save themselves by works of self righteousness, and are actually not born again.

THEY HAVE in THEIR OWN WAY, but not God's way (John 14:6), become a religious type, that has all the Christianese speech, and all the works , but all this is in VAIN, as they have not literally taken God's <>NAME<> to themselves, and are not one with God and Christ, because they are not truly BORN AGAIN.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Behold

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 minutes ago, Behold said:

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Actually, that is a wrong understanding.

Here is the thing...... a lot of unbelievers as well as believers have misunderstood this concept...."taking the Lord's (or God's name) in vain"

And all who have not understood this, misunderstand it exactly the same way.

This is what they think it means...    = "To take the Lord's name in Vain, is to use the Lord's name as curse word....." such as hearing "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" in a movie as an expression of frustration or anger or contempt.

Or, the word "Gd-Dm".... they also think, when this is applied in the same manner, is "taking the Lord's name in vain"......., but this is not the case.

So, what is the case?.....what is it exactly to take the Lord's name , in vain??

Well, you have to understand THIS PART of that verse....."To TAKE"....

To take what?.....>"The LORD's NAME".

And how do you take it?...."In VAIN"..

Now, how to understand this, is very simple........ think of it like this......"how do you take a wife, or a husband"?....

You take them by a PLEDGE of TRUTH, and this pledge unites the 2 as ONE......, as that is how you "TAKE someone's name"......its a union., a pledge, and a "oneness".

The woman changes her NAME to the Man's last name.....as she has by vow, by union, by earthly and later after consummation, spiritually TAKEN HIS NAME, as her name.

= "2 have become one".....name.

So, if you take a vow, a pledge, or the Lord's Name, to yourself, you have Joined him, in verbal and life, commitment.., exactly like a marriage.

You've taken His NAME, as you are the BRIDE, and Jesus is the BRIDE GROOM, and the Bride takes the NAME of the Groom.........

See it?

So, to do this in VAIN, is to be a FAKE.

In other words, its someone who is PRETENDING to have a RELATIONSHIP and a Commitment with God and Christ, by taking their name, as if you and they are "ONE".., when in fact this person is NOT at all.

It is not being a backslider, or a wayward believer, as they are "one" because they are born again INTO God and Christ as eternally "one".

So this "taking the name in Vain" is more extreme then being a hypocrite, as its actually  pretending to (take His Name) =  pretending to belong to God.

These are the ones who did the Christian deeds, talked the Christian talk, but were never born again, and Jesus said of these...."I NEVER KNEW YOU"..!

SEE IT?

It IS THAT someone who does not understand "grace through faith" or Titus 3:5, or Romans 3:21-28,  and is instead engaged in trying to save themselves by works of self righteousness, and are actually not born again.

THEY HAVE in THEIR OWN WAY, but not God's way (John 14:6), become a religious type, that has all the Christianese speech, and all the works , but all this is in VAIN, as they have not literally taken God's name to themselves, and are not one with God and Christ, because they are not truly BORN AGAIN.

Here let a proverb sum it up .     LORD give me neither poverty nor riches .   lest I become full and deny thee,  or lest I steal and take thy name in vain.

STEAL .  THOU shall not steal .     HMMMMM    so what does taking GODS name n vain REALLY MEAN .      WELL saying HIS NAME , but not OBEYING HIM .

Saying his name , but living in sin .     Saying his name yet living like the world do.      IT IS something that infuriates the LORD .

Lets use what Elijah told those who served baal .    the message FROM GOD himself .     IF you want to go serve baal,  THEN GO,  GO SERVE BAAL

but LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT .     OH GOD HATES the blending of religions DONT HE .   someone needs to tell that to the POPE and this emergent and all inclusive movement .

[Gideon]

8 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

When you are at war, a soldier has to have his full suite of armor on.  The shield of faith is a part of that armor. It is the part where your salvation lies and you remind the devil to whom you belong to with your faithfulness.  

However, leaving out the word of God or righteousness or truthfulness, are still room for the enemy to attack and send his arrows.  When you are talking about scriptural defenses, Paul has mentioned those items explicitly for a reason, as to let the reader know what must be done.  So you mentioning your reason for failure has to also state the full reason.    

You do know that the devil trembles at the word of God. So when you are in spiritual warfare, and you quote or mention scripture, it is part of the shield.  Don't bypass the rest of the armor as believers would only think that faith would be sufficient to quench the fiery darts, and not the full armor of God, which includes faith.

If you are generalizing and saying the shield of faith is all you need which implies the full armor then you are not heeding the scriptural verses mentioned. I was merely pointing out part of the reason for failure.  Faith is  the foundation upon which we build a solid defense, but there are others that completes the structure.  

 

And I am replying that when we put on the Lord Jesus Christ, we are putting on the entire suit of armor.  

This begs a question. If we put on the whole armor the Lord provides, does this not protect us completely from the attacks of the enemy? 

 Blessings, 

Gideon

[frienduff thaylorde]

59 minutes ago, Gideon said:

If one’s intent was to “get away with taking  the Lord’s name in vain” and substituted any Word He wanted, it would still be sin. If his intent was not inreference to the Lord at all, but was using an idiom innocently, he was not sinning. It all has to do with the thoughts and intents of the heart, amen? 

Gideon

Gideon , for starters ya did not take Gods name in vain when you said GOSH.    but what you said here is not entirely true either .   Most folks who take Gods name in vain

Don't even realize they DO .   YET its still taking his name in vain .   Lest I steal and take thy name in vain .   that is a good example FOUND in a proverb.

I think proverb twenty three if I remember correctly.     It starts off , LORD two things I require of thee, 

[Gideon]

9 minutes ago, Behold said:

-

Actually, that is a wrong understanding.

Here is the thing...... a lot of unbelievers as well as believers have misunderstood this concept...."taking the Lord's (or God's name) in vain"

And all who have not understood this, misunderstand it exactly the same way.

This is what they think it means...    = "To take the Lord's name in Vain, is to use the Lord's name as curse word....." such as hearing "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" in a movie as an expression of frustration or anger or contempt.

Or, the word "Gd-Dm".... they also think, when this is applied in the same manner, is "taking the Lord's name in vain"......., but this is not the case.

So, what is the case?.....what is it exactly to take the Lord's name , in vain??

Well, you have to understand THIS PART of that verse....."To TAKE"....

To take what?.....>"The LORD's NAME".

And how do you take it?...."In VAIN"..

Now, how to understand this, is very simple........ think of it like this......"how do you take a wife, or a husband"?....

You take them by a PLEDGE of TRUTH, and this pledge unites the 2 as ONE......, as that is how you "TAKE someone's name"......its a union., a pledge, and a "oneness".

The woman changes her NAME to the Man's last name.....as she has by vow, by union, by earthly and later after consummation, spiritually TAKEN HIS NAME, as her name. = "2 have become one"...= NAME

So, if you take a vow, a pledge, or the Lord's Name, to yourself, you have Joined him, in verbal and life, commitment.., exactly like a marriage.

You've taken His NAME, as you are the BRIDE, and Jesus is the BRIDE GROOM, and the Bride takes the NAME of the Groom, when MARRIED, or when BORN AGAIN...

See it?

So, to do this in VAIN, is to be a FAKE.

In other words, its someone who is PRETENDING to have a RELATIONSHIP and a Commitment with God and Christ, by taking their name, as if you and they are "ONE".., when in fact this person is NOT at all.

It is not being a backslider, or a wayward believer, as they are "one" because they are born again INTO God and Christ as eternally "one".

So this "taking the name in Vain" is more extreme then being a hypocrite, as its actually  pretending to (take His Name) =  pretending to belong to God.

These are the ones who did the Christian deeds, talked the Christian talk, but were never born again, and Jesus said of these...."I NEVER KNEW YOU"..!

SEE IT?

It IS THAT someone who does not understand "grace through faith" or Titus 3:5, or Romans 3:21-28,  and is instead engaged in trying to save themselves by works of self righteousness, and are actually not born again.

THEY HAVE in THEIR OWN WAY, but not God's way (John 14:6), become a religious type, that has all the Christianese speech, and all the works , but all this is in VAIN, as they have not literally taken God's name to themselves, and are not one with God and Christ, because they are not truly BORN AGAIN.

I testify that this is the true understanding of what it is to take the Lord’s n!e in vain. In summary, it is to have a name that you live, but you are dead. It is to have a form of godliness, but to deny the power of it. 

Excellent word, brother

Gideon

[Gideon]

1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Gideon , for starters ya did not take Gods name in vain when you said GOSH.    but what you said here is not entirely true either .   Most folks who take Gods name in vain

Don't even realize they DO .   YET its still taking his name in vain .   Lest I steal and take thy name in vain .   that is a good example FOUND in a proverb.

I think proverb twenty three if I remember correctly.     It starts off , LORD two things I require of thee, 

Thanks for rescuing me from the tar and feathers, LOL. But in truth, I personally think that taking the Lord’s makes,e in vain  was summed up quite nicely by Behold’s post. See if you agree. 

Nice to see you again. 

Gideon

[frienduff thaylorde]

Do you see what I see? What was the purpose of that man’s hearts he looked on a woman? To lust. That is why he looked. Right? If I am surfing the internet and decide to look at porn, I am not doing so to for any other reason than to lust. Correct? So I have already sinned. However if I am surfing the internet and a photo of an attractive woman comes across my screen, and the temptation all of a sudden hits me like a ton of bricks, have I sinned? Nope. Not yet.

 

EXACTLY this is TRUE .     that is the sin that is present within the flesh ,  the sin that is present in our flesh .    BUT ,   IF we heed THE SPIRIT

and THE SPIRIT WOULD SOUND OFF ALARM BELLS once this thought pops into our minds , IF WE THEN OBEY THE SPIRIT and by HIS POWER cast it out

WE ourselves have not sinned .  we were TEMPTED by the evil flesh, YES ,  but we did not sin if we do not obey the flesh , but rather HEED the SPIRIT

and ITS REAL,  the SPIRIT is real and believe me when I say once the temptation begins .........THE SPIRIT WILL WARN CEASE CEASE CEASE the thought

IF we heed the flesh and don't we sin we will act it out .  BUT IF WE HEED that SPIRIT   ,  IT GOES AWAY my friend .  IT WILL CEASE .