"Tribulation Saints" - A Fly in the Pretrib Ointment

[Steve Conley]

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Back to the original question, which is where do all the believers during the tribulation come from if all believers are raptured out before Daniel's 70th week

 

Easy to answer .... there will be those in the tribulation period who will repent and turn to the Lord

Dan 11:36  And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

[Daniel 11:36]

This king is the human little horn of Daniel's visions .... Satan is the instigator and his beast Abaddon/Apollyon will control the human little horn and will ultimately replace him

Edited June 13, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[Daniel 11:36]

One of the flies in the ointment is the post tribulation thinking of many

I would suggest that those who post this theology are either false teachers, or those who have been deceived by the same 

[Steve Conley]

54 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

One of the flies in the ointment is the post tribulation thinking of many

I would suggest that those who post this theology are either false teachers, or those who have been deceived by the same 

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Pops, the belief that the church would see the antichrist and experience great tribulation goes back to the apostles and is seen in every generation since. The teaching of the secret rapture (pretribulationism) came along ~200 years ago. In spite of Spurgeon's and Tregelles' opposition, that false teaching took a foothold in the churches of America and England and has grown like a cancer ever since. You are one of its victims. However, you are now victimizing others with this deception. You're promising a great escape that will never come.

God's wrath in the day of the Lord doesn't come until after we are resurrected and raptured ending the great tribulation. (Joel 2:31; Matt 24:29)

Hallelujah

[Last Daze]

1 minute ago, Steve Conley said:

Pops, the belief that the church would see the antichrist and experience great tribulation goes back to the apostles and is seen in every generation since. The teaching of the secret rapture (pretribulationism) came along ~200 years ago. In spite of Spurgeon's and Tregelles' opposition, that false teaching took a foothold in the churches of America and England and has grown like a cancer ever since. You are one of its victims. However, you are now victimizing others with this deception. You're promising a great escape that will never come.

This is correct and Daniel 11:36 is wrong.

The whole "don't worry, we won't be here for that" mentality of the pretrib fantasy flies in the face of what Jesus taught about being ready, vigilant, on the alert, etc.  That should be enough for anyone to see that there a problem with it. 

[Brother Duke]

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

One of the flies in the ointment is the post tribulation thinking of many

I would suggest that those who post this theology are either false teachers, or those who have been deceived by the same 

I think of the pre-trib leaving the sheep unprepared.  When faced with reality some may even fall from faith when the tribulation happens.

Mat 18:6 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[Daniel 11:36]

Both Duke and Daze are teaching false doctrine 

[Brother Duke]

12 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Both Duke and Daze are teaching false doctrine 

 

Please explain how showing scripture is false.   

Edited June 13, 2018 by Brother Duke

[Brother Duke]

44 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I am well aware of what Romans 11 talks about.  The Church is grafted into Israel.  It does not become Israel.  It does not replace Israel.  It is still a "wild" branch.  What purpose would the Church serve in the redemption of Israel?  The purpose of the Church is to give the maximum number of gentiles the opportunity to receive salvation before God re-focuses on Israel.  To say the Church has to be there during the end times give the Church more importance than what it actually has, and you can call it anything you like, but that mindset is straight-up replacement theology. 

If the church gentiles and native born Israelites are both accepting of Christ and together are Israel then what extra redemption is necessary?

 

Also nothing is replaced.  They are together as one.  One body and one spirit.

Edited June 13, 2018 by Brother Duke

[Daniel 11:36]

Please explain how showing scripture is false

 

 It is when you do it the way you do son