Slavery.

[Godsmercyinus]

Does God actually condone slavery as opposed to condemning it for the inhumane act it really is?

An Atheist hotline video had a guy struggling to find the right stance when faced with that question. 

 

[brujaq]

9 hours ago, Godsmercyinus said:

Does God actually condone slavery as opposed to condemning it for the inhumane act it really is?

An Atheist hotline video had a guy struggling to find the right stance when faced with that question. 

 

Slavery is not good, being in debt is not good .. If you work for someone you are their slave so to speak .. My grandmother told me before labor laws in the early 1900s late 1800s of some of her uncles/friends worked as children in the cotton mills and got whipped when they ''cut up'' by the bosses . The mill had a village houses owned by the mill, a company store , and gentlemens agreements not to hire good help to other mills .. Some sailers signed on crews understanding that if they didn't obey commands or do their jobs they would be whipped and/or thrown in the brig .. Long ago you defeated enemies and either killed them all or took slaves ''they were the law''.. Their was no great cash flows and your pay was provision for service . Israel served Egypt as slave for quite a while , when they were delivered from the Egyptians they had developed a slave mentality , When the Amalekites attacked them in the desert , God not only protected his people then but preserved the Amalekites for later .. God wanted Israel to take care of business .. He waited until Israel became self reliant, tuff and strong then sicked them on the Amalekites to kill everything men, women, children even all the animals .. Payback ..

It's sad about the African slavery but remember the first president was Jon Hanson a Moor and black, many other notable Americans were black but history books lie about it .. .. The American slaves were captured, shipped and served as slaves but they come to know the Christian religion and Jesus, the civil war payed back our nation with great loss of life while black Americans suffered they/most grew strong in faith .. One of the worst slave owners in SC was  William Ellison jr who was black, owned plenty of slaves, and could be pretty ruthless .. Uncle Tom ''Josiah Henson'' was actually a great, one of the greatest Christians ever in America imo and his full story needs to be told .. The only way it can be justified is God meant it for their good and salvation like Joseph . The good news will be at the judgment seat of Jesus

Edited August 14, 2018 by brujaq

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10 hours ago, Godsmercyinus said:

Does God actually condone slavery as opposed to condemning it for the inhumane act it really is?

An Atheist hotline video had a guy struggling to find the right stance when faced with that question. 

 

Jesus told us to love even our enemies.. Therefore anyone who uses and exploits another human being to the level of making them their slave is in rebellion against The LORD Jesus Christ..

The two basic rules of Christianity is to Love God and to Love your neighbour..   Enslaving your neighbour is not an act of love..

[Jayne]

God wholeheartedly condemns the slavery of the historical United States and around the world even today.  In fact, that type of slavery was punishable by death in the Old Testament.

Exodus 21:16 = "And he that steals a man, and sells him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."     

As for the New Testament - Paul includes slave traders with the worst of the worst.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 = "We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted..."

Now, the question is obviously begged, what did slaves and servants mean in the Bible?

[RockyMidnight]

1 hour ago, brujaq said:

Slavery is not good, being in debt is not good .. If you work for someone you are their slave so to speak .. My grandmother told me before labor laws in the early 1900s late 1800s of some of her uncles/friends worked as children in the cotton mills and got whipped when they ''cut up'' by the bosses . The mill had a village houses owned by the mill, a company store , and gentlemens agreements not to hire good help to other mills .. Some sailers signed on crews understanding that if they didn't obey commands or do their jobs they would be whipped and/or thrown in the brig .. Long ago you defeated enemies and either killed them all or took slaves ''they were the law''.. Their was no great cash flows and your pay was provision for service . Israel served Egypt as slave for quite a while , when they were delivered from the Egyptians they had developed a slave mentality , When the Amalekites attacked them in the desert , God not only protected his people then but preserved the Amalekites for later .. God wanted Israel to take care of business .. He waited until Israel became self reliant, tuff and strong then sicked them on the Amalekites to kill everything men, women, children even all the animals .. Payback ..

It's sad about the African slavery but remember the first president was Jon Hanson a Moor and black, many other notable Americans were black but history books lie about it .. .. The American slaves were captured, shipped and served as slaves but they come to know the Christian religion and Jesus, the civil war payed back our nation with great loss of life while black Americans suffered they/most grew strong in faith .. One of the worst slave owners in SC was  William Ellison jr who was black, owned plenty of slaves, and could be pretty ruthless .. Uncle Tom ''Josiah Henson'' was actually a great, one of the greatest Christians ever in America imo and his full story needs to be told .. The only way it can be justified is God meant it for their good and salvation like Joseph . The good news will be at the judgment seat of Jesus

Brujaq! I had no clue! Great post and historical facts! 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/john-hanson-first-america-black-president-barack-obama-pj-wilcox

Cheers!!! 

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, brujaq said:

It's sad about the African slavery but remember the first president was Jon Hanson a Moor and black, many other notable Americans were black but history books lie about it

Really? He doesn't look all that black to me, nor does it matter, if he was, and how does this relate, to the moral status of slavery anyway?

 

[brujaq]

35 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Really? He doesn't look all that black to me, nor does it matter, if he was, and how does this relate, to the moral status of slavery anyway?

 

Who said it was moral ? Paul addressed the issue in the NT and in the OT was laws concerning it .. Moses allowed divorce for any reason because of the hardness of their hearts , Jesus said Matthew 19:6-9 ..

Edited August 14, 2018 by brujaq

[Omegaman 3.0]

20 minutes ago, brujaq said:

Who said it was moral ?

I am not sure anyone did. Moral status would suggest that is is either moral, immoral, or lacking any moral significance! So, is there another option that I am missing here?

[brujaq]

3 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I am not sure anyone did. Moral status would suggest that is is either moral, immoral, or lacking any moral significance! So, is there another option that I am missing here?

I don't know, it happens and God knew it would .. Does God condone it, did he allow it or allow for it ? 

[Willa]

God allowed it for getting out of debt, as in indentured servants.  He did not allow stealing people and abusing them.  He established stringent rules and protection for the slaves.  They also sold themselves into slavery so it was a free choice.  

I have ancestors who were kidnapped and stolen, shipped over to Puritans in the States, and enslaved under the Old Testament laws governing the treatment of slaves.  The Anglican slaves were not allowed citizenship, however.  Read the book "Kidnapped" by Robert Lewis Stevenson.