Why so much disagreement on the start of THE DAY?

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

Keep waiting for this false rapture,deception can cost you to lose your soul

Don't believe in the true rapture, and you could be left behind to face the Beast. The devil will think He can force you to take the mark. Thirst can be a mighty motivator! 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

Why do you seperate the Jew's from the Church?How can you say the Church will be gone when Christ Himself says He comes AFTER the tribulation?

It's only 2 choices,Christ or satan,been that way since the two tree's in the Garden you belong to one or the other,period,don't care who you are.....

Do you think Christ can't protect His own when all hell is breaking loose?Did He not give you the example with the Hebrews and the blood on the door post?

You either will have the seal of God or you will take the mark of satan

Since only Christians can be deceived,who will be?

You have a theory: its just wrong.

Let me expand on this: I did not say the church will be gone, GOD tells us the church will be gone: you just don't believe Paul and John. You are right, He does come AFTER the trib - but He will also come BEFORE the trip FOR His saints. He then comes AFTER WITH His saints. There is amply proof of this if you would take off your preconceived glasses and just read Paul. 

You are missing something HUGE: It is TIMING: God has some words for one time and different words for another time. Remember when Israel was suppose to enter the promised land, but would not? God then said OK, we will go back into the wilderness. But the next morning Israel chose to disobey and go after enemies: now the day before God's word was they would conquer - but one day later, His word was they would be overcome. And you know or should know what happened: they were whipped soundly. Why? Because God's word CHANGED.

Yes, during the church age we have power over the enemy. But during the 42 months of authority of the Beast, God Himself has said the Beast will have authority over the saints. 

Why then do you doubt His word? Christ has already promised that the BEAST will overcome. Do you expect Him to go back on that word?

Next, you imagine something different than what is written: ONLY 144,000 get sealed. And that sealing is for protection ONLY for the trumpet judgments. Then that 144,000 are caught up as firstfruits. Those verses have NOTHING to do with the Gentile church of today. 

ONLY Christians can be deceived? No, sinners will be deceived, but those whose names are written in heaven will not be.

Edited September 11, 2018 by iamlamad

[n2thelight]

7 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Don't believe in the true rapture, and you could be left behind to face the Beast. The devil will think He can force you to take the mark. Thirst can be a mighty motivator! 

I have no problem whatsoever facing the beast, in fact I'm looking forward to it...

Christ gave me power over ALL my enemies!

[n2thelight]

16 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You have a theory: its just wrong.

It's no theory, how can anybody but Christians be deceived? 

The rest of the world already are.

[iamlamad]

Just now, n2thelight said:

It's no theory, how can anybody but Christians be deceived? 

The rest of the world already are.

The truth is, many Christians are deceived in some way or another.  For example, we have someone here that imagines it is legalism to believe Jesus and take Him at his word: that if we don't forgive others, then our Father CANNOT forgive us.

[iamlamad]

6 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

I have no problem whatsoever facing the beast, in fact I'm looking forward to it...

Christ gave me power over ALL my enemies!

It is all in TIMING: Christ WILL give power to the beast over your power. Yes, Believers have power of their enemies NOW, in the church age, but THEN, during the 42 months of the Beast, God gives HIM power over the saints.  Therefore I hope your theory works out for you!

[Alan Hales]

55 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

When you arrive at the pearly gates, and then know as we are known, you will find out I did know something after all! By the way, many of the commentators have the first seal as the church sent out with the gospel. I am not alone in this belief. 

Show us just one "twist" on a scripture. That is, if you can. You attempted to say Jesus WAS there in chapter 4 but John did not see him. Really? That is your answer? That is more of a "twist" that Him not being there!

You came up with NOTHING as to why Jesus was not found in the first search John watched. 

Your explanation of the Holy Spirit was worse yet. 

So you disagree with me, but have no other theory on these chapters but that I am wrong.

Perhaps you should read some of the commentators.

You are a false teacher. So you can forget the Pearly gates.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Alan Hales said:

You are a false teacher. So you can forget the Pearly gates.

The only reason you say that is because you don't know the truth, and your preconceived glasses won't allow you to read the scriptures as they really are.  Perhaps you just wish YOU would hear the voice of our Lord. The truth is, He expects us ALL to hear: "my sheep know my voice and they hear me and follow me." 

If I could take a guess, I would guess you have bypassed Acts 1 and 2 in your Christian walk. You probably could not ask the same question Paul was very comfortable in asking: look it up, Acts 19:2.

Do you know there is a huge difference in the Holy Spirit within and the Holy Spirit on or upon? 

Finally, we are supposedly brothers in Christ. I KNOW I am in Christ. I suppose you are too. Therefore we should have love one for another. 

[iamlamad]

On 9/7/2018 at 3:25 AM, Alan Hales said:

Anyone who knows the Bible will know when the tribulation will begin, First there will be millions of people disappearing in what's called the Pre tribulation rapture, Then the man of sin, [The Ant-Christ] will come. Eph 5: 27 says Jesus is coming for a glorious Church, one who is Holy and doing outstanding miracles. 1 Jn 3: 2 say when Jesus comes, we will be just like Him, So if the devil couldn't  handle ONE Jesus, How is he going to deal with Millions of Christians who are just like Jesus,???.  He can't, and that's why the Church has to go before he can come, as 2 The 2: 1-8 tells us.

You have overlooked the fact that Jesus said we would escape the tribulation, Which is the dispensation of wrath, The devil's wrath, and God's wrath, What you are saying is, we have to go through the devil's wrath.

I agree: good post! 

[n2thelight]

44 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

It is all in TIMING: Christ WILL give power to the beast over your power. Yes, Believers have power of their enemies NOW, in the church age, but THEN, during the 42 months of the Beast, God gives HIM power over the saints.  Therefore I hope your theory works out for you!

Yes it is all in timing,satan comes first,pretending to be Christ,that's the deception, like scripture says you will have the mark or the seal.

He can't touch the saints,and when he does,ie,the two witnesses, Christ returns,3 1/2 days later. 

Not a theory so I'm not worried at all.