The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

[WilliamL]

On 10/2/2018 at 9:33 AM, JoeCanada said:

Could Daniels’ days of 1260, 1290, and 1335 be linked to the fulfillment of the Feasts of the Lord?

I had another article ready to go, but my OpenOffice program flat out lost it when I tried to copy it over. Will rewrite it from notes  for next time.

One thing I remember off the top relates to the above. 1290 days works out to 43 lunar months + 20 days. There are 43 lunar months between Rosh Hashanah/Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 3-1/2 years later. Add 20 days comes to Nisan 21, the last day and second special sabbath day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This was the day the Israelites crossed through the Red Sea, being finally delivered from Egyptian bondage. Also, in my understanding, the day the dead rose (were delivered) from the graves "after His (Jesus') resurrection," and "entered into the holy city." Matt. 27:53

Adding 45 days to Nisan 21 comes to Sivan 7, potentially the day of Shavout/Pentecost, depending on the year. Rabbinical Jews celebrate Sivan 6 every year for this Feast Day, the original day God gave the 10 Commandments from Mt. Sinai. The next day, the 7th, was when the Israelites entered into their blood covenant with God to keep His law. Ex. 24:1-9

All these numbers possibly being coincidence, of course.

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

I studied out your article Chronology of the Last Days, and this is my response:

You write, “The first seal was opened after the gospel was preached to all the nations, completing the times of the nations, or gentiles. When it was opened, the evil angel beast was released from the abyss and began implementing the plan that would lead to the man of sin’s rise to become world dictator. … The reason I place it’s opening circa 1900 is that about that time, we saw the emergence of things that today have matured into things of prophetic significance. … When these things have sufficiently matured, the man of sin will be revealed, something that begins in earnest with the second seal.”

The only time Scripture speaks of the sealed Abyss being opened is at the 5th Seal, by an angel who is “given the key.” Rev. 9:1 Whereas the 1st Seal says nothing about either the Abyss or the Beast. So your thesis seems to be established purely upon personal rationalizations.

Likewise, you posit that at “the 4th Seal…the man of sin…declares himself to be God.” And at the 5th Seal, the image of the Beast (Rev. 13:14) is set up. Neither of these things is mentioned at all in Rev. 6, nor anything like them.

Revelation 7's “great multitude” of saints “before the throne,” so large as to be innumerable, is not mentioned at all in your thesis – where do they fit in? You mention no Rapture of the Church at all, and put the Second Coming of the Lord at both the 7th Trumpet and 7th Bowl, which “is completed in one day. The millennial reign of Christ begins and His kingdom fills the earth.” So at best, no Rapture into the clouds of anything more than a fraction of a day.

Your thesis thus requires the Church to remain on earth throughout all of the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls, and to go through the whole period of the Wrath of God, 1 Thes. 5:9 notwithstanding.

Sorry to say, but because so many of your conclusions lack Scriptural backup, I see no reason to address what you present about the prophetic time periods.

I can support my position with scriptural backup.  The article I referenced wasn't meant to be an exhaustive examination of the subject but rather more of a primer.  Everything will be revealed in its time.  It's not worth arguing about.

[WilliamL]

[Here is the post I thought I lost, but Windows updates just screwed with my OpenOffice program.]

Standard translation:

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days.

Literal translation of verse 11: And/now from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to a placing of an abomination of desolation shall be 1290 days.

“And/now; and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav: ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.”

“has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future).

“to”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition that means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the versions I have at hand, it is found only in Young's Literal Translation.

The addition of the preposition “to” can make a significant difference in the meaning of the verse. Instead of understanding the reading to mean that the Abomination of Desolation is placed right after the daily service is stopped, it now can be understood to mean that 1290 days will elapse between the end of services and the placement of the AD.: ʻfrom the time of the [removal] even to the AD shall be 1290 days.ʼ

The reason I began this string was to flesh out the obscure verse of Daniel 12:11, which prophesies the 1290 days in the End Times. I started in the first post with one understanding of its meaning, but now am considering an entirely different understanding.

Any comments from the Worthy brain trust on the literal translation?

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by WilliamL

[Montana Marv]

On 10/16/2018 at 11:38 AM, WilliamL said:

Any comments from the Worthy brain trust on the literal translation?

On 10/16/2018 at 11:38 AM, WilliamL said:

 

Lets put it this way.  There are an additional 30 day and a 45 day period following the 1260 day period.  (A/D set up at the mid point)

So the question should be?  What is going on during these two periods.  30 days to do what?, and 45 days to do what?

In Christ

Montana Marv

[God's Servant]

I don't have time to share it right now, but the math, when you take the parts from Daniel, and the parts for Revelation, and put the math from both together, it doesn't have a gap.  The difficulty is how one counts forward through the week, and the other counts backwards from the end back through the week.  It is actually quite perfect.  I do not understand how so many scholars fail to handle the puzzle pieces properly, it is simple once you put them together.  See if you can figure it out if you have time.  I will share it later.   The mid-frame is also perfect....it made me cry once I charted it out, it was that beautiful.

[WilliamL]

On 10/17/2018 at 7:24 PM, God's Servant said:

I don't have time to share it right now...  I will share it later.

I am waiting with bated breath...I think.  

[God's Servant]

On 10/23/2018 at 3:10 PM, WilliamL said:

I am waiting with bated breath...I think.  

I posted it in General Discussion under a different thread by mistake; The True Number of the Beast.  You are welcome to read it there, I think.

[WilliamL]

Daniel 11:21-32 prophesied the acts of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Seleucid King of Syria (r. 176 – ca. 164 B.C.), one of Daniel 11ʼs “Kings of the North.” An extensive summary of the relevant history has just gone up on my blog, entitled Antiochus Epiphanes and the End Times, Part 1: The History.

We can see the same sequence of events both in the days of Antiochus and in the days of the End Timesʼ King of the North:

1. Lawlessness and Apostasy: of the Jewish people and priests, beginning in the latter 170s B.C., // and likewise, in the Latter Days of the Church. 1 Macc. 1:11; 2:15ʼs apostasia; etc.; Daniel 8:12-13ʼs and 9:24ʼs pesha; Dan. 11:23 // Dan. 11:41; 2 Thes. 2:3ʼs lawlessness and apostasia; Matt. 24:10, 12; etc.

2. Invasion of Egypt, followed by a furious return to the Holy Land. Dan. 11:29-30 // Dan. 11:42-45

3. An Abomination of Desolation being set up. 1 Macc. 1:54; Dan. 11:31 // Dan. 12:11; Matt. 24:15; 2 Thes. 2:4

4. Persecution of and flight/escape of Godʼs people to the wilderness. 1 Macc. 2:28-29; [Dan. 11:32] // Dan. 12:1; Matt. 24:9, 16; Luke 21:36; Rev. 12:6

The former time of apostasy and lawlessness committed by Godʼs priests and people began in the latter 170s B.C., when –

1 Macc. 1:11 In those days lawless men came forth from Israel and misled many, saying, “Let us go and make a covenant with the Gentiles...” 13 …some of the people eagerly went to the king [Antiochus]. He authorized them to observe the ordinances of the Gentiles. 14 So they…abandoned the holy covenant. Dan. 11:23 And some [of the Jews] binding themselves with him, he act[ed] deceitfully, and r[o]se up and bec[a]me strong with a small nation. 2 Macc. 4:7-9 Jason, the brother of [High Priest] Onias [III], obtained the high priesthood by corruption, [paying a large bribe to Antiochus. :10 Jason then] shifted his countrymen over to the Greek way of life. …14 …the priests were no longer intent upon their service at the altar. 23 After a period of three years…Menelaus… 24 …secured the high priesthood for himself, outbidding Jason… 25 [Being a Benjamite, he] possess[ed] no qualifications for the high priesthood… [32-34 Using gold vessels he stole from the temple, he then bribed Antiochusʼs deputy to have Onias III assassinated, ca. 172/1 B.C.]

This era was prophesied in Dan. 8:12-14, and its “pesha/transgression/lawlessness” was to continue “for 2300 days; then the sanctuary [would] be cleansed.” According to the history of the Books of Maccabees, the ultimate overthrow of the priesthood by Menelaus lasted from the latter 170s B.C. (no precise dates given, but enough information to make a rough estimate) up to the cleansing of the sanctuary by the Maccabees in 165 B.C. Now, 2300 days = about 6.3 years, a seeming fit for the length of that period. The Abomination of desolation by Antiochus did not take place until Dec. 168 B.C., so roughly 3+ years into the 2300 days..

So now to the 1290 days in the End Times, which is 3.53 solar years: we read in Dan. 11:41 that early on, the King of the North “shall enter the Glorious Land, and many shall be enfeebled/overthrown…” Following this, “he shall stretch out his hand against lands, and the land of Egypt shall not escape…also the Libyans and Cushites…” 11:42-43

An undetermined number of months/years later,

Dan. 11:44 …news from the north and the east shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury… 45 And he shall plant the tents of his pavilion…at the glorious holy mountain… 12:1 And in that time Michael shall stand up [cf. Rev. 12:7]…and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was…

– which is the same wording Jesus used in Matt. 24:21 to describe the Great Tribulation.

So to sum up: if the Latter Day King of the North “takes away” Daniel 12:11ʼs “daily/continual services” when he first “enters the Glorious Holy Land,” through subverting its political and/or religious leaders – “many shall be enfeebled/overthrown” – then the 1290 days would begin at that point, and conclude with the Abomination of Desolation some 3½ years later. The subjection of “lands” – Egypt and Islamic North Africa – could easily take that long, prior to the final crisis. Just as Antiochus was successful in first subverting many of the priests and people, and subsequently succeeded in his original invasion of Egypt, a number of years before he committed his utter desolation/defilement of the Temple in 168 B.C.

This Latter Day scenario seems to me to be a real possibility. Whether or not this is how things will play out remains to be seen. Something else to watch for.

All of these events would then be followed by the final 45 days up to 1335: these 45 days (or part thereof) would be the “short trib.” A short trib fits my understanding for other reasons, which I provide in my blog post Forty Days. The full 1335 days may well end on Pentecost and/or the day before, which two days were the original date of (1st day) Godʼs descent accompanied by earthquake and clouds upon Mount Sinai, and (2nd day) His chosen being called up into His Presence. Being a type and shadow of Christʼs descent and His peoplesʼ ascent.

Therefore, the 1290 days would be both pre-trib and pre-wrath.

The 1260 days “until the end of these wonders,” during which “the hand/power of the holy people [shall be] completely shattered/scattered” (Dan. 12:6-7), does not begin until their flight/escape into the wilderness, which occurs after the Abomination of Desolation. Dan. 12:1; Matt. 24:15-16, 21

 

 

[HeWillCome2040]

I'm still studying this a bit but it would seems that those that are BLESSED are at 1335 days.  That is the 15 day into Tishri (month 7).  Blessed is the word often to describe the First fruits.  Makes the rest a bit easier - Atonement would be the end of the 40 days of Great Tribulation.  That means that 1290 is the first day of the sixth month.

[Revelation Man]

The 1260 is 1260 days until Jesus Returns.

The 1290 is 1290 days until the Second Coming of Jesus.

The 1335 is 1335 days until the Second Coming. 

All three are specific events and a set number of days until all of the wonders cease, via Jesus' return. 

Now that we understand let's tell the story. 

The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before Jesus returns and 75 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem to become the Beast, this of course is a Blessing unto Israel. 45 days later at the 1290 the False Prophet sets up an Image unto the European Beast/President, this is a sign for the Repented Jews to Flee Judea, of course they have to have repented or they would not know to flee by reading Matthew 24. Finally 30 days later at the 1260 event the Anti-Christ invades Jerusalem and Conquers them, thus becoming THE BEAST for 42 months. 

All the scriptures line up to say this is true. Malachi 4:5-6 says Israel REPENTS Before the Day of the Lord (First Seal/God's Wrath). In Matt. 24 Jesus tells the Jews to Flee Judea when they see the AoD, so that comes first, then Jerusalem is Conquered. The Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, so they must show up before the Beast comes to power since both hold their offices for 1260 days.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Revelation Man