Did Abraham, Ishac and Jacob resurrect when Jesus died ?

[R. Hartono]

Jesus said that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be waiting for their fellows at the kingdom of heaven,

Matt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

It means Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have come first to heaven, they may have been resurrected when Jesus died at the cross, which is the true divine sign of the Messiah of Jesus Christ.

Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Isaiah also mentioned that his dead body will arise from the dust.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, ISAIAH AND OTHER PROPHETS MAY HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED AND APPEARED TO PEOPLE IN JERUSALEM.

And they may have been taken with Jesus when He ASCENDED (not when He died)

Ep 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ASCENDED up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

 

 

 

 

 

[Philitus]

Mostly the Scriptures and even the early Church Fathers writings are silent on this but the fact that Christ defeated death himself at the resurrection, and the raising of Lazarus he is Lord over life. It proves his divinity. 

 

Rejoice, death is defeated and as is sin. Our sins are paid and we can be one with Christ!

[Deborah_]

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected when we are... which will be when the Kingdom is consummated, and we all begin to enjoy it together.

I don't see anything in the verse you quoted to suggest that the patriarchs are already resurrected.

[R. Hartono]

53 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected when we are... which will be when the Kingdom is consummated, and we all begin to enjoy it together.

I don't see anything in the verse you quoted to suggest that the patriarchs are already resurrected.

Would God forget them ? Would god ?

Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

[Deborah_]

20 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Would God forget them ? Would god ?

Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

And who says God has forgotten them in the meantime?

What do you believe? Do you believe in soul sleep, or do you believe that the spirits of those who believe go to Paradise, there to await their resurrection in the company of each other and of our Lord (Luke 23:43)? Because that's where the patriarchs are (Luke 16:22).

It's very difficult to place Matt 27:50 in the overall scheme of the next life. Whoever these people were, they didn't continue to walk around Jerusalem in permanently resurrected bodies, or they'd still be there today. So it was a temporary phenomenon - a foretaste of what will happen when Jesus returns.

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

And who says God has forgotten them in the meantime?

What do you believe? Do you believe in soul sleep, or do you believe that the spirits of those who believe go to Paradise, there to await their resurrection in the company of each other and of our Lord (Luke 23:43)? Because that's where the patriarchs are (Luke 16:22).

It's very difficult to place Matt 27:50 in the overall scheme of the next life. Whoever these people were, they didn't continue to walk around Jerusalem in permanently resurrected bodies, or they'd still be there today. So it was a temporary phenomenon - a foretaste of what will happen when Jesus returns.

Ep 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ASCENDED up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

[Jayne]

7 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Jesus said that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be waiting for their fellows at the kingdom of heaven...…

Well, when you look at the context, that's not really what he was saying.

From Matthew 8:5-13

This is about the Centurion soldier and his great faith.

• He asked Jesus to heal his servant.
• Jesus said, "Let's go".
• The soldier said, "I understand authority and you don't actually have to travel to where my servant is.  You can heal him from here."
• Jesus was astonished and said that...
  • He had never seen such great faith, not even in Israel - from Jews!
  • Then there's your verse.  Jesus said that a HOST of Gentiles from the east and the west [like this Centurion soldier] would be in the kingdom of heaven with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  • AND a HOST of Jews there in Israel would be in hell [because they had no faith].

This was a shock to the Jews he was talking to!  They believed their ethnicity was their ticket into heaven.

Jesus said it was faith and that so many from the Gentile world would have it.

This verse is not a timeline saying that the patriarchs would get their first.  It's saying that Gentile would be on the same level as the patriarchs - by faith, in heaven.  Together.

As for Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob walking around when Jesus was resurrected, in my mind, I see only local cemeteries being affected.  Those men were buried together with their wives [one wife each] in the cave of Machpelah which is in Hebron about 30 mile away.

[JohnD]

Ephesians 4:8–10 (AV)
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

The captivity were the Old Testament saints in Abraham's Bosom.

Luke 16:19–31 (AV)
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

They were in one / third of the chambers in the grave / gehenna which was the only holding pattern for the human dead until the cross

which allowed man entrance into heaven for the first time since the fall of man.

1 Thessalonians 4:13–17 (AV)
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Thus this entrance into the heavenly holding pattern (until the great resurrection of the dead) is of believers' disembodied spirits in heaven.  

To date, Jesus alone is the only bodily resurrected man in heaven.

In resurrection we will have a a spirit body an inseparable melding of the two. Hence flesh and bone versus flesh and blood.

If they were already bodily raised, then 1 Thessalonians  4:16b would make no sense. They are already raised first...

[Bible_Gazer]

 

Well somebody resurrected in Matthew 27.

Hebrews 11 talks about people coming short of the promise.

In Malachi 3:16+17 These saints were put into the book of remembrance and in that day I will make up my Jewels(resurrection) 

I would say Matthew 27 saints came to get that promise and finish their course to be like Jesus in righteousness, then at sometime went to heaven after that.

Abraham and Issac and Jacob was in the kingdom of heaven in the early church under the 12 Apostles teaching.

They would had to be born again just like everybody else  to make to heaven.

 

How I see it at the moment.

Edited January 19, 2019 by Bible_Gazer

[JohnD]

The chapter in question is quoted in Context highlighted is the passage referred to.

Matthew 27 (AV)
1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in.
8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
10 And gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord appointed me.
11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
15 Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.
16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36 And sitting down they watched him there;
37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.
48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.
49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:
56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.
57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.