Mid Trib rapture anyone?

[Marilyn C]

28 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Good post Spock: it is truth, you, I and Marilyn all read one scripture and we get three ideas.  

I disagree with you in one part: I think Paul DOES tell us where the rapture will come in Revelation's narrative, and John confirms it with the great crowd. 

Of course, if someone feels free to rearrange Revelation, they can be sure of nothing in the way of timing

Hi iamlamad,

Only one truth, and that is what God`s word says about God`s word, all else is nothing.

Marilyn. 

[Marilyn C]

26 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

If You disagree that Rev. 6 is not Joel 3, then show us supporting scripture. Or you could attempt to support the 6th seal as being after the "trib"  - for that would be the same thing. You know as well as anyone here that the 6th seal is in chapter 6 of Revelation, and Jesus return is not until chapter 19. By the way, all this IS His word. 

Try PROVING Rev. 6 can be the same as Rev. 19!

Hi iamlamad,

You need to write out the scripture/s and show how they are different. I have written them out, (further back, for Spock) and shown how scripture reveals they are the same.

Those scriptures are in God`s word but you have not proven by SCRIPTURE (not your words) that they are different!!!

Marilyn.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

And again, iamlamad,

No scriptures, so what is there to discuss, your thoughts? No, for it is ONLY what God says ABOUT HIS WORD that is important, and truth. The rest of our words will all fall to the ground, like autumn leaves.

Marilyn.

Marilyn, you KNOW the scriptures I am referring to, or you would not be here!  We are not in kindergarten!

³ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

⁴ These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

⁵ And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

⁶ These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

⁷ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

⁸ And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

⁹ And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

¹⁰ And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

¹¹ And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

If you understand these verses, you know that They BEGIN their testimony just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint and end their testimony just 3.5 days before the end of the week. 

If you disagree, then show us what you think is truth.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

Hi iamlamad,

You need to write out the scripture/s and show how they are different. I have written them out, (further back, for Spock) and shown how scripture reveals they are the same.

Those scriptures are in God`s word but you have not proven by SCRIPTURE (not your words) that they are different!!!

Marilyn.

Marilyn, what you state is simply impossible, for they are NOT the same. They happen over 7 years apart. 

The signs in the sun and moon are DIFFERENT. They cannot be the same. A blood red moon is SEEN. When it is total darkness and both the sun and moon are dark, they are NOT SEEN. These are two different signs for two different purposes coming over 7 years apart.

If you knew, Joel shows BOTH of these signs, and for different purposes.

Edited March 20, 2019 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

Hi iamlamad,

You need to write out the scripture/s and show how they are different. I have written them out, (further back, for Spock) and shown how scripture reveals they are the same.

Those scriptures are in God`s word but you have not proven by SCRIPTURE (not your words) that they are different!!!

Marilyn.

Marilyn, one is in chapter 6 and one is in chapter 19! TIME PASSES in these chapters. You will have to prove Revelation is not chronological. People have been TRYING unsuccessfully for years. Perhaps you can do better.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

Hi iamlamad,

Only one truth, and that is what God`s word says about God`s word, all else is nothing.

Marilyn. 

Sorry, but sometimes God word says something ONCE. What are you going to do then? Not believe it?

[Spock]

6 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi iamlamad,

Only one truth, and that is what God`s word says about God`s word, all else is nothing.

Marilyn. 

One truth that God “purposely” didn’t want to make everything black and white so that every single believer would all believe the same thing because there wouldn’t be any doubt.  Did you ever ask yourself why He did it this way?  He knew we would have thousands of denominations by not making EVERYTHING so clear and black and white.  Hmmmm

[iamlamad]

Matthew 24  (Marilyn wants scriptures.)

⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

⁶ And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

⁷ For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

⁸ All these are the beginning of sorrows.

⁹ Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

¹⁰ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

¹¹ And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

¹² And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

¹³ But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Jesus does not get to THE END times until verse 13. Notice verse 6: "the end is not yet."  He is talking about church age events.  For example, verse 7 is CHURCH AGE - and it matches seal 2 through 4, also church age.

[iamlamad]

Just now, Spock said:

One truth that God “purposely” didn’t want to make everything black and white so that every single believer would all believe the same thing because there wouldn’t be any doubt.  Did you ever ask yourself why He did it this way?  He knew we would have thousands of denominations by not making EVERYTHING so clear and black and white.  Hmmmm

It is not written in so many words, but OF COURSE this is truth: God COULD have given us a date for the rapture. He did not. 

[Marilyn C]

28 minutes ago, Spock said:

One truth that God “purposely” didn’t want to make everything black and white so that every single believer would all believe the same thing because there wouldn’t be any doubt.  Did you ever ask yourself why He did it this way?  He knew we would have thousands of denominations by not making EVERYTHING so clear and black and white.  Hmmmm

Hi Spock,

God made everything GOOD, (right, true,) for us to understand, for that is WHY Jesus sent the Holy Spirit - `He will guide you into ALL TRUTH;...` (John 16: 13)

No loop holes for our thinking, there Spock. ALL TRUTH MEANS ALL TRUTH.

As for man`s denominations, they have all been moves of the Holy Spirit bringing truth and then man camped around that and closed off to any more truth. However as we know God flows right over man`s denominations and His truth is available to all, not just eg the Baptists, concerning water baptism, or just the Pentecostals concerning the Holy Spirit. Jesus is clarifying more truth by His Holy Spirit, ` till we all come to the unity of the faith and the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God, to a mature man.` (Eph. 4: 13)  

Marilyn,