Mike Mclees Posted April 13, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2019 John 3:19-21 King James Version (KJV) 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. The damage is done when they legalized perverted life styles. Its not just the US but the whole world. They need come to Christ and repent. It makes me feel like Lot and his family in Sodom The coming again of Christ is the next thing on the horizon. Lets watch and be sober 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BorderCowboy Posted April 13, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 303 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/05/2019 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 The good book clearly says homosexuality is a no no. Enough said. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Novella Posted April 13, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/02/1992 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) I'm sorry if it's gonna be repetitive what I'm about to say, I just strongly felt like saying it before I even read all the other replies... Homosexuality is a TEMPTATION that some face more, some less, some not at all. But like any other temptation, you CAN RESIST it. "Resist the devil and it shall flee". Many people don't believe it, but it is true that some people with God's help did resist this temptation and are not homosexual anymore. We are basically programmed to laugh when we hear about it before we even give it a thought and look it up, but it is true nontheless, and you can go talk to those people, as they openly give their testimonies and can be found, if you just look. They also offer support to those who are still struggling. Nothing is impossible to God. I have to mention also, one of the fruits of the Spirit is self-control. So with this, no temptation is tempting enough. And about love. Today's view on what it is has little to do with the truth. Or the Truth. Love is NOT a feeling. It is a choice. As God is choosing to love us, the unworthy, we choose to love our neighbors, parents, husbands or wives, children and our enemies, even if they do nothing to deserve it. While feelings, so unstable and untrustworthy, well, "it deceived you before and it will deceive you again". I was thinking sometimes, and fearing, what if God followed His feelings like people do? He would just wipe us all off the face of the Earth, since our sin abhors Him beyond our imagination... "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do." Many just love the sin too much to even try and resist it, hence why they choose to believe the lies like "I was born this way" and all the rest of that. This, I believe, is due to lack of fear of God, which is "the beginning of wisdom". And they give in to the lust, the pleasure of the body, the sin, the worldly understanding of "love", the wrong terminology of it all. Even worse if at the same time they claim to love God, maybe even believe it, but "due to lack of knowledge" are trying to "serve two masters". The world makes people believe all kinds of lies, this is why it is so important to know the Bible. If I started putting every Bible quote here that can explain this issue that we're on right now, I'd end up quoting the whole Bible, because one part explains/confirms the other and it goes on and on until all of them together give you the ultimate answer... How many times are we reminded to not be of the world while being in it? "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." And why is it all so much about following His will? Is He a dictator that wants us to do whatever He says no matter if it hurts us? Of course not. It is so, because, since He is the one who made us and knows us best, He also knows what is best for us, while we usually have no clue. So if it ever seems to "hurt" to follow His will, it is so because it hurts our pride ("source of all sin") or we're just too small to understand it, or both... And that's how you find that you don't trust God over your own little mind that He created, which is equivalent to putting yourself above Him... Which is the strongly promoted by the world "self-love", self-worship, being "your own god"... "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth." If you struggle with homosexual temptations and believe to truly love God, you have to study the Bible like your life depends on it - because it does. If you find any excuses to not take the Bible seriously, you do not love God. Simple as that. "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" Now when it's off my chest, I'm gonna go on and read other replies... Edit: I see there's many wise replies already, thank God. Edited April 13, 2019 by Novella Read other replies. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnthebaptist Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Leyla said: Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin? Is homosexuality just dead weight that some people have to carry around their entire life? There is a difference between love and lust. There is nothing wrong with being with a person you love. Having a lustful relationship with someone of the same sex is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jayne Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2019 Homosexuality can be a dead weight, just as heterosexual sins can be a dead weight if not resolved. Any sin can be a dead weight: porn abuse, drug abuse, food abuse, nursing bitterness and anger, drunkenness, sloth, and more. What makes sins dead weight is that they are not taken to God and repented of nor is help sought after in the form of competent counseling and pastoral/Christian accountability partner help nor is the person actively seeking to renew their mind and actively practicing a self-discipline. There's a man, named Dennis Jernigan, who lived a homosexual lifestyle for years - during high school, college, and after. He wanted out and God brought him out. Today, he is married to a woman and they have nine children. Homosexuality does NOT have to be a dead weight. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2019 Does a homosexual have to overcome his sin before God will save him? If so , I think we all are in hot water . Personally, I never overcame any of the many, many sins in my life.I asked God to save me and He changed my desires- He changed the “ inside of the cup”, so to speak and all those “ barnacles” kinda just fell off on there own.Am I alone in having this experience ?Its as if I do my part, which is to “ live by faith” and He does His part, “finishing the job He started”. To me , it sounds like a solid plan .It works for me and I recommend it highly. Correct me if you think I am wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2019 If one looks hard enough to twist scripture, it can appear that anyone who lies / ever lied is going to hell. If someone marries a woman who was divorced they are committing adultery. If you look at a woman lustfully you risk going to hell. And so on. Well meaning people mistakenly take the Law of Moses and apply it to the Grace of Christ who told the woman caught in the very act of adultery "neither do I condemn you." Why is that so hard for people to understand? For every finger we point at others four more are pointing back at us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtletwo Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1,192 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7,264 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 15,710 Days Won: 194 Joined: 07/15/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Novella said: If you find any excuses to not take the Bible seriously, you do not love God. Simple as that. @Novella Wow! Such a power packed post! So true and spoken without wavering. Welcome to Worthy. Happy you joined. I can't wait to read more of your posts and interact with you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted April 14, 2019 In the late 1980s, realizing that I knew almost nothing about sexual orientation except the unchallenged prejudices with which I had grown up, I looked for a place I could go to gain the necessary intellectual and medical background on this human phenomenon. I knew only that my ignorance and prejudice would make it all but impossible to be an effective bishop in the metropolitan New York area. My search led me to a member of the faculty of The Cornell School of Medicine in New York City. This man, whose name was Robert Lahita, had both a PhD and an MD degree. At that time he was working on the differences in the immune systems of men and women, an interest that had led him deeply into the science of the brain. What impressed me most then, and it is now verified, is that the idea that homosexuality could be adopted as a lifestyle of choice or that it was caused by some factor or experience in early childhood was totally and universally dismissed. No one on the medical faculty at Cornell saluted this idea. That fact alone changed for me the whole dynamic in the debate going on in the Church. For if sexual orientation is part of what we are rather than something some choose to do, then it must be related to in the same way that we have learned to relate to skin color, gender, left handedness and ethnicity. These things are neither good or bad, they simply are. To discriminate against a person because of who that person is, is the essence of racism, sexism and xenophobia. I was now coming to the awareness that it is also the essence of homophobia. It was the 'given-ness' of sexual orientation that produced in me the sea change in my own attitude. That is also what is happening in both church and society at this moment. A new understanding of homosexuality is colliding with a definition that is uninformed, prejudiced and dying. Dying prejudices are never revived and they are never re-installed. Indeed the fact that a prejudice is being debated is a sure sign that it is dying. The only question is how long will it take and how many people will be hurt before this prejudice takes its place in the graveyards of human history alongside other discarded discriminatory practices that have marked the human journey through history. The fact is that heterosexual people cannot recall the moment when they chose their sexual orientation. I, for one, can only remember that in my very early adolescence, I decided that girls were not obnoxious and that I desired their attention. This awakening was accompanied by behavioral changes that were thought of by my parents as both remarkable and noteworthy. I took baths more frequently, combed my hair, dressed better and even used deodorant! My mother observing this behavior said: "the sap has risen!" I had no idea what that meant either. Now I wonder why those of us who did not choose to be heterosexual have always assumed that homosexuals in fact did choose to be gay! I learned many things from my Cornell contacts. I learned that scientists believe that the percentage of homosexual persons in the general population is stable among all people, in all cultures and throughout all history. I learned that homosexual behavior is well documented in the animal kingdom today. Somehow both the levels of testosterone and brain formation are factors. I learned that the division between male and female in nature is not nearly as well differentiated as we have always thought. All human life appears to start as female and it only develops masculine identity if and when the "y" chromosome kicks in, reshaping the developing fetus. Following my work with Dr. Lahita and the others at Cornell my mind has been clear on this issue. Discrimination against homosexual persons is as wrong as discrimination against people on the basis of race, gender or ethnicity. It has no place in the life of the Christian Church. I no longer even want to debate this issue in the various councils of the Church. It is for me a settled issue. It is time for people to adjust their ancient prejudices to new realities. This debate, for me is in the same category as the debate between evolution and creationism, whether the earth is flat or round and whether the sun revolves around the earth or vice versa. Some issues are simply settled. If the Church and its leaders from across the world don't understand this, they reveal Christianity's irrelevance. Church unity is a bogus smokescreen. A Church united in prejudice is not worthy of continued life. Politicians who do not understand this are either ignorant or irresponsible. There is no other choice. It is time to move both Church and State into the 21st century. ~~~ John Shelby Spong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RustyAngeL Posted April 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2019 What I don't understand is so many in the church spend so much time trying to explain it away. The bottom line is, God calls homosexuality a sin, actually in stronger language He calls it an abomination. I also believe it is a lie from the enemy that these people listen to when they are told they were born this way. God does not make mistakes. Why would God create them like this then deny them the Kingdom of God. Read Romans chapter 1. Also 1 Corinthians 14:33 saying that God is not the author of confusion but of peace. You can also go to !1 Corinthians 6:9-10. many things will not inherit the kingdom of God and homosexuality is one of them. It's not hard to understand, it's plain truth. We are to love the people and hate the sin These people have souls that need to be saved and will be saved if we can tell them about a Savior that will set then free from this bondage and lie. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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