So called immigration to USA

[Neighbor]

And as to languages, I don't see that speaking English is an answer to a problem of poverty and desperation. Language barriers have been with us for quite some time- since Babylon was broken up  by God I guess.

Even English speaking lands have trouble agreeing on  English language. The New Amsterdam  maritime convention is testimony to the problems of even a common language in contracts.

Seems to me that it is more than the irritation of hearing Korean jibber jabber in the grocery store that needs be resolved.  If all the immigrants spoke pristine American English ( If that even exists ) there would still be the same problem of desperate American English speaking people rushing toward the borders and seeking to get to the interior of the USA.

 Ha- If all  immigrants spoke pristine American English, then they would be at WalMart making fun of my Bostonesse accent and I suppose my  clothing attire too.

[other one]

Illegal is illegal, and they are here legally or not legally and I don't see anything in between.  I personally can't see the problem without involving politics because the whole problem is a global political move to achieve a global status that a group of global progressives are attempting to achieve.

[other one]

Just now, Neighbor said:

And as to languages, I don't see that speaking English is an answer to a problem of poverty and desperation. Language barriers have been with us for quite some time- since Babylon was broken up  by God I guess.

Even English speaking lands have trouble agreeing on  English language. The New Amsterdam  maritime convention is testimony to the problems of even a common language in contracts.

Seems to me that it is more than the irritation of hearing Korean jibber jabber in the grocery store that needs be resolved.  If all the immigrants spoke pristine American English ( If that even exists ) there would still be the same problem of desperate American English speaking people rushing toward the borders and seeking to get to the interior of the USA.

 Ha- Then they would be at WalMart making fun of my Bostonesse accent and I suppose my  clothing attire too.

Poverty and desperation????....      I don't see news reports of a people starving coming here, but healthy looking males and females that are a bit overweight.....   and some carrying little children in buggies/carriages that cost between three and five hundred dollars that my relatives can't afford.  I am told that many of those people paid the cartel five to ten thousand dollars each to bring them to the border...   

[Neighbor]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

Illegal is illegal, and they are here legally or not legally and I don't see anything in between.

Okay, But is that reality- aren't there legal illegals? I can be in the USA legally having gotten here illegally it seems. I just ask for asylum and i am no longer illegal, but instead a refugee in titled to a hearing and I can stay here legally awaiting that hearing, no matter how longit takes ot get th ehearing. Ye  I know people then do not show up, but non th eless they are not illegal until a ruling against them in a court, and by then they may avail themself of a few options to extend their legal status.

It is all nutty for sure.  In the meantime there are hungry people desperate people on the move. Do I say Lord,  they shouldn't come to me?

[BeauJangles]

18 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

It is an involved process to become a citizen in the US, but it should be the primary goal of those making full intent of living here permanently. 

18 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

I've seen many who have, and made fine upstanding examples. 

 

I'll stand by this, and let me add, whether by legal or illicit means of coming to this country, those who have and also made Jesus as Saviour and Lord, are some of the sweetest and truly sincere folks I've encountered. There are numbered among them, plenty who've run away from cartel life-style - women and their children. These are the ones who are innocent of the criminal element, and seeking asylum here within our nation's borders. 

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, other one said:

Poverty and desperation????....      I don't see news reports of a people starving coming here, but healthy looking males and females that are a bit overweight.....   and some carrying little children in buggies/carriages that cost between three and five hundred dollars that my relatives can't afford.  I am told that many of those people paid the cartel five to ten thousand dollars each to bring them to the border...   

I see the same images, and I wonder too! But I also see impoverished people in the USA that look pretty portly even very porky. Their diets being very low cost starchy stuff I think. 

We have a few individuals that post on the board that are in very serious poverty from around the world. I always wonder, how do they get  on the internet, how do they have the free time even.? None of which is production for me. There is still a lot of people in desperate living conditions and they are on the move. My government has no desire to  find a solution. So what of me? What of my local body of Christ? What might my Lord desire of  me and of the local body? I am conflicted about it for sure. 

 

[Neighbor]

8 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

some of the sweetest and truly sincere folks I've encountered.

Yes, I too have had the same experience.

[diane32]

10 minutes ago, other one said:

Poverty and desperation????....      I don't see news reports of a people starving coming here, but healthy looking males and females that are a bit overweight.....   and some carrying little children in buggies/carriages that cost between three and five hundred dollars that my relatives can't afford.  I am told that many of those people paid the cartel five to ten thousand dollars each to bring them to the border...   

Do you know who the ruler of this world is? The media? I live in a Country where the media has been to blame for a lot of the hatred people experience...if you seek God in the matter you might find that Jesus loves everyone and if people are fleeing out of fear of death I believe only hard hearted people would turn them away...but that's my opinion...I work in a school where there about 15 children from Syria who have experienced devestation and had to leave their Country in fear...I pray you or anyone elaw with your opinion never has to run for refuge in another land because you might just get turned away

[BeauJangles]

4 minutes ago, diane32 said:

I work in a school where there about 15 children from Syria who have experienced devestation and had to leave their Country in fear...

This is true, Diane. In the latter 70's through early 80's, we had countless from South East Asia, fleeing from the on-coming dominance of communist invasion. Many among these have also become born again believers. In our city, is an older Baptist church where they've established learning centers, in order to learn our language and also customs, while preparing to become citizens here in this 'melting-pot' nation.  

[other one]

 

3 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

I see the same images, and I wonder too! But I also see impoverished people in the USA that look pretty portly even very porky. Their diets being very low cost starchy stuff I think. 

We have a few individuals that post on the board that are in very serious poverty from around the world. I always wonder, how do they get  on the internet, how do they have the free time even.? None of which is production for me. There is still a lot of people in desperate living conditions and they are on the move. My government has no desire to  find a solution. So what of me? What of my local body of Christ? What might my Lord desire of  me and of the local body? I am conflicted about it for sure. 

 

Well, the town I live in has the reputation of being one of the best places to be homeless.   We have a fairly good infrastructure of taking care of them....    we have a good dinner on Wednesday nights before service and we have them come by to eat with us..    Problem is that word gets around and more and more start showing up from other places and overloads our system and everyone suffers...    theories about helping the poor sound good on the surface, but in reality isn't really possible with the numbers that are coming here....

I find it hard to declare someone destitute when they have paid someone to bring their family to the border $5,000 to $10,000 each.   or paid some mother to borrow her child so they can be released into the country because of the 20 day rule for keeping children....   then send the child back to its mother to be rented again....

Nothing about what is going on at the border is as it seems on the surface, so it's hard for me to get into your discussion and leave out politics.    I guess it depends on whether one watches either CNN or OAN news for the status of the problem.