Parable of the Ten Virgins

[saved34]

1 hour ago, NickyLouse said:

Were all ten virgins saved?

 

If so...

Did the 5 foolish ones lose their salvation? 

 

If so,

What is meant by having enough oil? How do we know whether we are saved? Is my debt paid in full or not?

 

If the foolish five were not saved, what does it mean to go and buy oil from them who sell it?

The Bridegroom said Truly or Amen, “I don’t know you”.  So we know the five foolish could not be genuine. 

Mat 25:12  "But he replied, 'Truly I tell you, I don't know you.'

I believe the message being delivered is not to wait too late. Do not harden your heart because Christ could come at anytime. 

 

Mat 25:9  "'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

Isa 55:1  "Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.

Isa 55:6  Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.

 

I think that is the thought behind the parable. Christianity is full of wheat and tares, sheep and goats. The true and the false. 

[NickyLouse]

6 minutes ago, douge said:

The kingdom consisted of 10 virgins (Matthew 25:1)...five are not in the kingdom and five lost...all are in the kingdom.

This seems confusing.

[NickyLouse]

5 minutes ago, saved34 said:

The Bridegroom said Truly or Amen, “I don’t know you”.  So we know the five foolish could not be genuine. 

I don't want to misunderstand, but I think you are saying that they are not saved.

[NickyLouse]

10 minutes ago, Jostler said:

The ten are born again, the five do not lose that.   The consequences are severe for them but  the  consequences are related to eternal judgement and how they RELATE to the  Kingdom for eternity.

This view seems reasonable to me. It is interesting that this view admonishes those who have been saved to not take it lightly. I hear people who believe salvation can be lost say that the foolish ones were not really saved when they thought they were.

This parable is probably the most interesting of all of Jesus' parables to me.

[saved34]

4 minutes ago, NickyLouse said:

I don't want to misunderstand, but I think you are saying that they are not saved.

That is correct. In context if Christ says I don’t know you, or I never knew you, it means just. That person has had no relationship with him.

[Gentle-Warrior]

13 minutes ago, NickyLouse said:

Please help me, if you can.

Jesus told the parable of the the virgins and compared it to what the kingdom of heaven was like (Mat. 25:1). Jesus used this fictitious story to relate to His listeners what the kingdom of God was all about. Since the story is very Jewish and had a cultural flavor, it would be difficult for us to understand what Jesus was talking about unless we are a bit familiar with the wedding ceremonies of that day (2,000 years ago). 

In Jesus'story, the groom, not the bride was the most important part of the wedding feast. Reason for that is that the groom or his parents were supposed to pay a dowry to the bride's parents. Once the amount was agreed upon, and the wedding celebration became a reality, the groom and the bride were considered engaged to be married.

The engagement lasted about a year, but in Jewish custom, both the groom and the bride were already considered "married" although they were not officially married. This means that if the bride or the groom broke the engagement at any given time before the official ceremony, the law of the land would call a breaking of the marriage bows or better said,  a "divorce" would take place which would had been a great scandal to say the least. 

 The ten virgins, on the hand, served the purpose to escort the groom amid music and dancing with tambourines to the bride's father house in order to take his wife home (his home) after the ceremony and the festivities were over (the festivities lasted about seven days or so). 

So the story goes that there were ten virgins, five of them were wise while five of them were foolish. All of them had torches (or lamps) and oil to keep the lamps lit if necessary. However, the foolish virgins did not have enough oil for their lamps and apparently were not concerned about it. 

After a while, all 1o got tired and fell asleep. At midnight a shout was heard announcing the coming of the bridegroom which came in the middle of the night. The scene probably went like this: the virgins were stationed in the home of the bride's parents, waiting for the arrival of the bridegroom for the bride. He would come and take his bride to his parents' house where the marriage celebration would take place.

When the groom arrived, escorted by his attendants who carried blazing torches, the virgins would go out to greet him warmly, also carrying their lamps. Then they would all proceed together to the bridegroom's home.

Neither the wise nor the foolish virgins expected the bridegroom to come when he did. The wise virgins were not censured for this failure, but the lesson is obvious; believers need to be admonished to be expectant as well as prepared.

Can you guess the rest? If not, we'll talk again tomorrow. 

 

 

[Jostler]

Just now, NickyLouse said:

This view seems reasonable to me. It is interesting that this view admonishes those who have been saved to not take it lightly. I hear people who believe salvation can be lost say that the foolish ones were not really saved when they thought they were.

This parable is probably the most interesting of all of Jesus' parables to me.

There is such a broad misconception among believers in the West particularly, that believe all who are born again and members of the Body are also the Bride...it truly  confuses the  issue.  There are many parties included in the  "wedding party" and those are almost completely overlooked as to their Biblical significance.  Friends of the  Bridegroom, the Bride, her handmaidens....all have meaning and all are NOT the  Bride herself.  It's truly  an enlightening study, but I despair of even being able to discuss  it profitably  in this forum.  There are a lot of topics i'd love to dig into but have given up on until He  manages to make some changes.

[Gentle-Warrior]

3 minutes ago, Jostler said:

There is such a broad misconception among believers in the West particularly, that believe all who are born again and members of the Body are also the Bride...it truly  confuses the  issue.  There are many parties included in the  "wedding party" and those are almost completely overlooked as to their Biblical significance.  Friends of the  Bridegroom, the Bride, her handmaidens....all have meaning and all are NOT the  Bride herself.  It's truly  an enlightening study, but I despair of even being able to discuss  it profitably  in this forum.  There are a lot of topics i'd love to dig into but have given up on until He  manages to make some changes.

What makes you think that the parable of the virgins have anything to do with us?  Jesus was comparing His story with the kingdom of God.

What's the kingdom of God? 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior

[Jostler]

Just now, Gentle-Warrior said:

What makes you think that the parable of the virgins have anything to do with us at all? 

The Bible

 

[Worship Warriors]

There is no point discussing anything about the bride of Christ on this forum. Many had already made up their mind what they want to believe. What you believe now will change tomorrow as the Lord gives you more understanding of His word.

so you should keep an open mind and not be so narrow minded. I just had someone who told me to get out of his thread and said to me The lord rebuke thee Satan, get thee behind me.