the key to Prophecy the Prophets

[wingnut-]

21 minutes ago, breathoflife said:

Zechariah preached and prophesied after the divided kingdom, even with the extra 130 years Judah last past Israel. It would seem untenable to have a prophet prophecy of that which has already ended. 

 

It's actually not untenable or unprecedented.  Consider Revelation chapter 12 verses 1-5, a historical depiction to lend understanding to the symbolic characters within the prophecy.  I see that passage from Zechariah in the same fashion as there is no biblical support for the two kingdoms reuniting prior to the very end.

 

God bless

[breathoflife]

I am confused with your reasoning. If Israel were to split today would the northern kingdom have enough people for each tribe to have their land and a ruler over each of the 10 portions of land? Does not the Lord have the ability to gather the people slow or fast like opening the Red Sea. If they are the faithful remnant, part of, all they need to be back for is when the faithful Remnant becomes the Royal Nation of Priests who serve the Lord in His temple and the Gentiles on the times they are required to come to the temple during the 1,000 years. 

[breathoflife]

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

 

It's actually not untenable or unprecedented.  Consider Revelation chapter 12 verses 1-5, a historical depiction to lend understanding to the symbolic characters within the prophecy.  I see that passage from Zechariah in the same fashion as there is no biblical support for the two kingdoms reuniting prior to the very end.

 

God bless

rev. 12: 1-5 is nothing like your claim that There is nothing strange for Zechariah giving a prophecy for events that had ended decades before. The word used in that Passage is “Man-child.” And is descriptive in nature

Edited October 25, 2019 by breathoflife

[wingnut-]

1 hour ago, breathoflife said:

Lets see if we can straighten this out. There are three sections that form the one prophesy. The first section has the decree of Cyrus and the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The middle section is to last 434 years and ends on the Passover the Lord kept before He was cutoff. If you go backwards from that Passover to the beginning of this 434 year prophecy you

must end up on that Passover. Keep going back and the 49 years segment that kicked this prophecy of as beginning and then ending 49 years later on Passover. So first prophecy begins on Passover and ends 49 years later on Passover. The second prophecy begins on that same Passover lasts for 434 years and ends on the Passover where the Lord becomes our Passover Lamb. This leaves on week of years to be fulfilled. It will like the two prophetic periods before it will begin and end on Passovers seven years apart. With the Last or 490th Passover being The Day of the Lord. The prophecies were fulfilled just as they had to be an for it to be extended beyond the 490 years or for those times to be altered in anyway makes the whole prophecy suspect.

 

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I will have to take your word that all these begin and end on Passover, for I don't have a clue. Are there scriptures that confirm this?

 

This isn't quite accurate on the timing you state, just want to clarify.

 

The first time Jesus ever allowed his apostles or the Jews to call Him King was the day He rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey. This was Psalm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days (69 weeks = 483 yrs x 360 days = 173,880 days) after the command to rebuild Jerusalem.

 

God bless

[wingnut-]

9 minutes ago, breathoflife said:

That is when this is taking place. She comes out of Zec 11 right into being the fourth beast. 

 

That does not align with the prophecy from Isaiah.  Again, when does that prophecy take place according to you?

 

Isaiah 11:10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.

11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.

12 He will raise a signal for the nations
    and will assemble the banished of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
    from the four corners of the earth.
13 The jealousy of Ephraim shall depart,
    and those who harass Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not be jealous of Judah,
    and Judah shall not harass Ephraim.

 

Ephraim (the northern kingdom) and Judah (the southern kingdom) do not reunite until this point.  The dispersed (going all the way back to the Assyrian invasion) are gathered at this time.

 

God bless

[breathoflife]

17 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

That does not align with the prophecy from Isaiah.  Again, when does that prophecy take place according to you?

 

Isaiah 11:10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.

11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.

12 He will raise a signal for the nations
    and will assemble the banished of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
    from the four corners of the earth.
13 The jealousy of Ephraim shall depart,
    and those who harass Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not be jealous of Judah,
    and Judah shall not harass Ephraim.

 

Ephraim (the northern kingdom) and Judah (the southern kingdom) do not reunite until this point.  The dispersed (going all the way back to the Assyrian invasion) are gathered at this time.

The prophecy in Isaiah is self explanatory. Christ is there in all

his glory there is only one time that will happen the day of the Lord

God bless

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by breathoflife

[breathoflife]

22 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

That does not align with the prophecy from Isaiah.  Again, when does that prophecy take place according to you?

 

Isaiah 11:10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.

11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.

12 He will raise a signal for the nations
    and will assemble the banished of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
    from the four corners of the earth.
13 The jealousy of Ephraim shall depart,
    and those who harass Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not be jealous of Judah,
    and Judah shall not harass Ephraim.

 

Ephraim (the northern kingdom) and Judah (the southern kingdom) do not reunite until this point.  The dispersed (going all the way back to the Assyrian invasion) are gathered at this time.

 

God bless

 

34 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

 

This isn't quite accurate on the timing you state, just want to clarify.

 

The first time Jesus ever allowed his apostles or the Jews to call Him King was the day He rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey. This was Psalm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days (69 weeks = 483 yrs x 360 days = 173,880 days) after the command to rebuild Jerusalem.

 

God bless

I must be a really bad writer it is if you look at it is saying the second group of weeks of years ends when Messiah is cutoff? Do we know what day that was? 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

 

 

This isn't quite accurate on the timing you state, just want to clarify.

 

The first time Jesus ever allowed his apostles or the Jews to call Him King was the day He rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey. This was Psalm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days (69 weeks = 483 yrs x 360 days = 173,880 days) after the command to rebuild Jerusalem.

God bless

Agreed. But there are some that think Sir Robert Anderson (I started to write Sir Conan Doyle!) was off.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, breathoflife said:

 

I must be a really bad writer it is if you look at it is saying the second group of weeks of years ends when Messiah is cutoff? Do we know what day that was? 

No, I think it says He was cut off AFTER a time ends.

[wingnut-]

1 hour ago, breathoflife said:

 

I must be a really bad writer it is if you look at it is saying the second group of weeks of years ends when Messiah is cutoff? Do we know what day that was? 

 

I am not sure exactly what you are asking me, but what I was pointing out is that the 69th week of Daniel ended on April 6th, 32 AD, when Jesus first rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey.  As to when the 70th week begins that is debatable, some believe it continued right into it.  Some of them believe the 70th week went on to completion at that time, some believe that half of the 70th week has passed, and many believe the entire 70th week was all future from that point.

As far as the prophecy from Isaiah, what I am asking is for you to list out a sequence of events as you see them, and insert where you believe what Isaiah spoke of falls into that timeline.

God bless