GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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1 minute ago, Resurrection Priest said:

QUESTION IS:   Does the New Covenant pronounce a curse on anyone?  On who?  For what reason? 

To hear the Baptist once-saved-always-saved doctrine, the New Covenant never pronounces the curse of death upon anyone, for any reason.  Once a person has entered into covenant with God through Jesus Christ,  that person cannot loose that salvation, no matter what he does or doesn't do.  I personally don't buy that one.

The Book of Revelation is written in the format of an ancient Covenant Lawsuit.  The plantiff is reviewing the terms and parties to that lawsuit, and presenting His case as to why the accused should suffer the penalty of that covenant.  I would assume that Revelation is speaking of the New Covenant. 

So - is anyone accursed in the Book of Revelation? 

NOTE:  One cannot be cursed by a covenant, who has not entered in to that covenant.  eg:  ignorant pagans, or little children

This is a logical fallacy based on an assumption. A true born from above person will not do just anything as you say and continue in sin. This is the sort of thing that folks say, but it doesn't fit the entire dynamic of a 'New Man'.

However, technically, this is correct. A true born from above believer cannot lose the Life of Christ. I have been discussing this a lot lately. Read my posts.

 

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1 hour ago, Resurrection Priest said:

I think ALL OF US were condemned under "the law of sin and death".  Right?  

If "the law of the spirit of life in Jesus Christ" "has delivered" all those who believe from "the law of sin and death", why cannot homosexuals be included in "all those who believe".  Because they have not yet overcome their sin-ful addiction, is not a reason to exclude them from that promised deliverance.   Sometimes recovery/healing/victory is a process that takes time. 

Great question. Fact is, those busily practicing sin fall back under the Law. Including heterosexual folks. 

There is a think called a backsider

Edited December 21, 2019 by KJVOnly

[KJVOnly]

There were OT backsliders and NT backsliders. 

 

[Behold]

4 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

 

OOPS!  Now go back and actually READ these verses:  Jas.4:6.  1Pe.5:5.  Pr.3:34.

And SURPRISE!  Jesus requires Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

And why do you wish for censorship?

 

 

 

 

When Jesus The Lord was hanging on the Cross, He was one big open bleeding wound of pain.  He was bleeding from His eyes, nose, mouth, ears, hands, feet, back....   He was a totally devastated  open wound. He was standing up on spikes driven into His feet, just to catch the next breath and not suffocate...  And there were cruel people who caused Him to be hung on those spikes,  who were looking at their bleeding out suffering Messiah, and these very people mocking Him, said ...."come on down" "Lets see you come off that Cross".  "you're the Son of God, right?" "So, save yourself, prove it,  lets see you do it"... And these people, loved the Torah.  Just like you.   And just like you, these lovers of the Torah,  demanded LAW keeping.  Just LIKE YOU.!      And just like you, their preaching, while pretending to be of God, is actually an enemy of the Cross, and the devil's lie.

Listen carefully mocker,   you are smugly  polluting the Gospel of the Grace of God with your Torah Loving Legalistic heresy that you adore.  So, I'll give you one needful advice just a few days before the birth celebration of the Living Lord.

STOP.

Edited December 21, 2019 by Behold

[BibleGuy]

2 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Killer Christians....,

So you oppose the death penalty because......why?

[BibleGuy]

2 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Then nobody is righteous. 

Read 1 Tim 1:6-10 

 

.....sinner!

 

Of COURSE we have all sinned! (Rom.3:23)

That's why Jesus came to DIE for us, to take the punishment we deserve for the sins we committed.

HIS blood takes our sins away (1Jn.1:7).

Now we no longer walk in sin....but we do RIGHTEOUSNESS (1Jn.2:29;3:7;Mt.5:20;Dt.6:25;2Ti.3:16).

 

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, Behold said:

 

When Jesus The Lord was hanging on the Cross, He was one big open bleeding wound of pain.  He was bleeding from His eyes, nose, mouth, ears, hands, feet, back....   He was a totally devastated  open wound. He was standing up on spikes driven into His feet, just to catch the next breath and not suffocate...  And there were cruel people who caused Him to be hung on those spikes,  who were looking at their bleeding out suffering Messiah, and these very people mocking Him, said ...."come on down" "Lets see you come off that Cross".  "you're the Son of God, right?" "So, save yourself, prove it,  lets see you do it"... And these people, loved the Torah.  Just like you.   And just like you, these lovers of the Torah,  demanded LAW keeping.  Just LIKE YOU.!      And just like you, their preaching, while pretending to be of God, is actually an enemy of the Cross, and the devil's lie.

Listen carefully mocker,   you are smugly  polluting the Gospel of the Grace of God with your Torah Loving Legalistic heresy that you adore.  So, I'll give you one needful advice just a few days before the birth celebration of the Living Lord.

STOP.

" And these people, loved the Torah.  Just like you. "

No....if they loved Torah, they would love Jesus....because Jesus IS the very substance of Torah (Jn.1:14;Col.2:17).

 

"And just like you, these lovers of the Torah,  demanded LAW keeping.  Just LIKE YOU.!    "

Just like JESUS who likewise demands law-keeping (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

 

"And just like you, their preaching, while pretending to be of God, is actually an enemy of the Cross, and the devil's lie."

Torah is TRUTH (Ps.119:142).....not "the devil's lie".

You got that REALLY backwards!

And (again) you gave us no Scripture to prove your position.....just more unsupported words typed on a keyboard.

Please give us GOOD REASONS to believe your opinions....

You can't just accuse me of "the devil's lie" and then pretend that's a good reason.

Peter requires that you give me REASONS (1Pe.3:15)....not unsupported accusations.

Try again.

 

"you are smugly  polluting the Gospel of the Grace of God"

Oops!  You forgot good supporting REASONS again.

Remember?

You can't just say something, and then pretend it's a good reason.

Here's an example of a Biblical REASON:  Paul said we are saved by the Gospel IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD HE PREACHES (1Cor.15:1-4) which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

Here's another Biblical REASON:  GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34;1Pe.5:5).  HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).  So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) requires OBEYING TORAH.

Did you see how that works?

We provide REASONS from SCRIPTURE.....with citations for others to look up and verify.

We don't just dish out unsupported accusations....

I'm trying to improve your reasoning skills so that others can benefit better from your words (Eph.4:29).

Ok...give it another try.

 

"your Torah Loving Legalistic heresy"

Hmmm....love of Torah brings PEACE (Ps.119:165) not "legalistic heresy".  Paul applies this Psalm to YOU (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16).  So LOVE TORAH (not oppose it!) and have PEACE!

After all, HERESY includes the false teachings of false prophets (2Pe.2:1) who OPPOSE Torah (Dt.13:1-5).  So Torah-disobedience is HERESY.  So OBEY TORAH!

 

"that you adore."

ADORE Jesus so much that you OBEY all His commands (Jn.14:15)....and that includes TORAH (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

ADORE Jesus so much that you CONTINUE IN HIS WORD (Jn.8:31) which includes ALL TORAH (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28)...

Otherwise, you are not His disciple (Jn.8:31).

 

"So, I'll give you one needful advice just a few days before the birth celebration of the Living Lord."

Surely you know of the reasons cited in support of an AUTUMN birth (not December 25) of the Messiah, right?

Besides, Dec. 25 doesn't even match up, correctly, to the same date in the Hebrew calendar each year.

 

"STOP."

STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) means OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4).

 

So good advice...let's stop sinning.

Let's grow in faithful obedience to God's laws, as modeled by Abraham, required by Moses, commanded by the Father, affirmed by the Son, testified by the Holy Spirit, confirmed in the Prophets, upheld in the Psalms and Proverbs and Gospels, and by the Apostles, and in the Epistles, and in Hebrews, and even in Revelation.

 

blessings...

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by BibleGuy
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[Behold]

10 hours ago, douge said:

 

But there are other gospels, the gospels are progressive and distinct in their dispensations. To mix them all up as one will bring error. For example some think baptism is part of the gospel based on Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts. Doctrine will also be confused. For example some think they need to bring in the kingdom.

 

I responded to you, then posted it as a Thread.

 

Here :   https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/246156-when-the-religious-try-to-take-over/

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Behold

[KJVOnly]

2 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

Of COURSE we have all sinned! (Rom.3:23)

That's why Jesus came to DIE for us, to take the punishment we deserve for the sins we committed.

HIS blood takes our sins away (1Jn.1:7).

Now we no longer walk in sin....but we do RIGHTEOUSNESS (1Jn.2:29;3:7;Mt.5:20;Dt.6:25;2Ti.3:16).

 

 

⁹ Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

¹⁰ For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

 

Question, are you a righteous man?

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2 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

So you oppose the death penalty because......why?

Not for sinners, the Law is still in effect for sinners. I oppose the death penalty for the saint that is free from the Law though. If sinners want to smite sinners, I don't interfere.

Should saints smite sinners per the Law? 

Or, should that be God's sole job?