GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[KJVOnly]

4 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Do you think it would be possible to have a little peace and good will towards men for the next few days at least? I realize our Lord and Saviour wasn't born during this time of year. Still, it's a nice idea anytime at all. This is getting a bit too personal isn't it?   

We are just funnin' around. Merry Christmas

[KJVOnly]

7 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

NOBODY is "delivered" from ALL law!

The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33).

So OBEY!

 

¹⁸ But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.....

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

Yikes!

Edited December 22, 2019 by KJVOnly

[Behold]

20 hours ago, douge said:

Yes, you are correct....in Paul's epistles we find our gospel, the only gospel for us, by which we are saved today. We find doctrine for the work of the church today as well.

But there are other gospels, the gospels are progressive and distinct in their dispensations. 

Wanted to hit this one again for you.

Yep, "dispensational teaching", is required to rightly divide the word.   

There is no way to get your Theology into correct "context", without a bit of "dispensational" approach.

But there is also, "hyper-dispensationalism", where a person so chops up the bible into dispensations, that this becomes a theological mess.

The other problem that creates controversy and scriptural meltdown is when a person is applying a dispensation into the wrong era/time/season.

As in....... Trying to jam Moses and the Law of commandments, into "Grace and Truth", came BY Jesus The Christ.

It can't be both.   It can't be "believe on the Lord, and you shall be saved"... AND....>"keep the commandments and the Law (Torah) to be saved".

IT can't be "by Grace you are saved without the works of the Law", and "i keep myself saved by my DEEDS and LIFESTYLE and COMMANDMENT KEEPING and OBEYING THE LAW, (Torah).

For example, right now you have the "time of the Gentiles", and you have "the apostle to the gentiles".   So, those Dot connect.

But if you try to teach "Torah + Cross", as "time of the Gentiles"  (Where God is only accepting our FAITH "as Righteteousness") as Bibleman is getting so confused, then you are teaching heresy because there is no  understanding related to dispensations, so, he is butting heads with Paul.

A lot of People are in a theological fight with Paul, and every one of them is trying to save themselves, and have "fallen from Grace".  These are Legalists.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Behold

[BeauJangles]

9 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

We are just funnin' around. Merry Christmas

Ohhh.  Okay then. Merry Christmas to you as well. 

[Behold]

14 hours ago, Resurrection Priest said:

How can the curse of the Law be the Law.  That doesn't make sense. 

Paul is not saying that the Law itself was the curse. 

 

 

I just answered your question in a Thread .

Go here :

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/246168-your-curse-is-washed-in-the-blood/

 

[BibleGuy]

13 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

⁹ Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

¹⁰ For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

 

Question, are you a righteous man?

Yes, of course.

 

After all, the PROHIBITIVE Torah laws (e.g., don't lie, don't kill, don't XYZ, etc, 1 Ti.1:10) are not for RIGHTEOUS people....because RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY obeying all Torah! (Dt.6:5,25;Mt.5:20;1Jn.2:29;3:7)

Same for YOU!

 

Besides, 1 Ti. 1 was written by Paul who ALSO wrote 2Ti.3:16 which requires that ALL TORAH rebuke and correct and teach and train your behavior in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

So of COURSE we in Christ are given the gift of righteousness (Rom.5:17)....which is THE SAME RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE TORAH (Rom.3:21) which includes TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Dt. 6:25).

AND!

We also DO righteousness (1Jn.2:29;3:7) in obedience to TORAH (2Ti.3:16;Dt.6:25) or else we are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20).

Now, feel free to ignore these Biblical considerations....and then bring up a different objection instead.....

After we answer all your objections, you'll see you have none left.

 

QUESTION:  Does YOUR BEHAVIOR get corrected and rebuked and taught by TORAH? (2Ti.3:16)

 

[BibleGuy]

13 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Not for sinners, the Law is still in effect for sinners. I oppose the death penalty for the saint that is free from the Law though. If sinners want to smite sinners, I don't interfere.

Should saints smite sinners per the Law? 

Or, should that be God's sole job?

"Not for sinners, the Law is still in effect for sinners. "

Notice you gave us ZERO SCRIPTURE (again) to support your opinions.

Try again. 

This time, give us SCRIPTURE.

 

AND!

Your opinion is COMPLETELY backwards, buddy!

Torah is for ISRAEL (Mal.4:4)...and YOU are not excluded from Israel (Eph.2:12).

 

"I oppose the death penalty for the saint that is free from the Law though. "

Then you just opposed the very TORAH (Jer.31:33 + Lev. 20) of the NEW Covenant.

The SAME TORAH OF MOSES (" תּוֹרָה " Jer.31:33) passes into the NEW COVENANT.....

 

Jeremiah is not a liar.

 

"If sinners want to smite sinners, I don't interfere."

If YOU oppose Torah, then YOU are at great risk of Mt. 5:19.....

or worse (Mt.5:20)

or worse (Mt.7:21-23)

or worse (Mt.13:41-42)

Ready to repent?

 

"Should saints smite sinners per the Law?"

What does Lev. 20 say?

Answer:  SOME SINS REQUIRE THE DEATH PENALTY!

STOP opposing God's law.

You are treading upon DANGEROUS ground.

 

blessings...

 

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

13 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

¹⁸ But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.....

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

Yikes!

YIKES YIKES!

It doesn't say you are delivered from ALL LAW!

WE are only delivered from the law of SIN AND DEATH (Rom.8:2).

WE are STILL UNDER the law of OBEDIENCE (Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19;1Jn.2:3;5:3;2Ti.3:16;1Cor7:19;Ac. 5:32) and LIFE (Lk.10:25-28;Mt.4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47).

After all, TORAH-OBEDIENCE is the very word of faith Paul preaches (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

Paul condones an animal-sacrifice-laden vow to prove he "walks orderly according to the law" (Ac. 21); Paul requires that YOU imitate that Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9).

Paul requires FAITH (Gal.3:11) which is of TORAH (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138).

Paul says we who do the TORAH will be JUSTIFIED (Rom.2:13).

Paul AFFIRMS the legitimacy of even GENTILES who obey Torah (Rom.2:27).

Paul upholds the NEW COVENANT (1Cor.11:1) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

Paul serves in the SPIRIT (Rom.7:6).

Serves what?  TORAH! (Rom.7:25)

After all, those who SERVE obey TORAH (Jos.22:5).

 

What does the Spirit leads us to obey?  TORAH! (Heb.10:15-16;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27;Ac. 5:32;Jn.6:63 + Mt. 5:19).

 

QUESTION:  Do you oppose this Holy Spirit of Torah? (Heb.10:15-16;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27;Ac. 5:32).

 

[BibleGuy]

On 12/20/2019 at 4:53 PM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

 

Oops....just caught this...it is supposed to say, “ One does NOT  have to commit an overt sin to be guilty of sinning”.........I always seem to suffer when I fail to proofread.....

No worries.....I need to correct my typos too!

 

And you're right:  Jas.4:17.

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

On 12/21/2019 at 10:02 AM, simplejeff said:

I've chased down wild geese before.   So far,  no results.  So you will have to QUOTE someone if you think they actually did say that obeying the TORAH is the path, the way, to salvation.  Again, so far,  no results.  No quotes.  No one has quoted anyone saying keeping the TORAH/ The Law/ is the WAY to be saved.  None yet.

Hi there!

Jesus said that TORAH-OBEDIENCE is a sufficient condition of eternal life (Lk.10:25-28).

After all, if we obey TORAH, then we obey Dt. 18:15, thus we obey the Messiah who requires faith (Jn.3:16) for everlasting life.

 

It's a package deal.....

We are justified by LAW (Rom.2:13) + FAITH (Rom.5:1) + GRACE (Rom.3:24) + the BLOOD (Rom.5:9) + WORKS (Jas.2:24) + the SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) + Christ's NAME (1Cor.6:11).

Package deal.

ALL together.

 

And of course, law WITHOUT FAITH does not result in salvation.  (Gal.5:4-5)

 

blessings...

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by BibleGuy
Gal.5:4-5