The 8th king of Revelation 17

[douggg]

38 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

One of the Heads of a NON EXISTENT Beast will be KILLED OFF............The 7 Headed Beast is a Metaphor, you do understand that right? It stands in for 7 Powers who RULE Israel & the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus the Mortal Wound of one of the Heads can only be to Rome, thus there was no Beast for 2000 years. 

Where is the little horn person of Daniel 7 on that first beast in Revelation 13 ?     Do you believe the little horn person is end times?

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In Revelation 17, the beast has

ten horns

seven heads  (none of which were mortally wounded/nor healed)

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, douggg said:

Where is the little horn person of Daniel 7 on that first beast in Revelation 13 ?     Do you believe the little horn person is end times?

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In Revelation 17, the beast has

ten horns

seven heads  (none of which were mortally wounded/nor healed)

 

The Little Horn is the 7th Head of the 7 headed beast. Rome was Mortally Wounded, there was no beast over Israel for nigh 2000 years and the Church delivered the mortal wound. The gates of hell could not prevail over the church.

Rev. 12 designates Satan as a POWER in the Beast system...CHECK

Rev. 13 designates the Anti-Christ as  power in the Beast system.....CHECK

Rev. 17 designates Apollyon as a POWER in the Beast system....CHECK

[douggg]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Little Horn is the 7th Head of the 7 headed beast. Rome was Mortally Wounded, there was no beast over Israel for nigh 2000 years and the Church delivered the mortal wound. The gates of hell could not prevail over the church.

The little horn is a person.  Differently, you have stated the heads are 7 kingdoms - not persons.  

Are you claiming the little horn in Daniel 7 is not a person ?

 

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, douggg said:

The little horn is a person.  Differently, you have stated the heads are 7 kingdoms - not persons.  

Are you claiming the little horn in Daniel 7 is not a person ?

 

A person can have a Kingdom..........see Jesus Christs 1000 year reign. 

[douggg]

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

A person can have a Kingdom..........see Jesus Christs 1000 year reign. 

I am asking you if you are claiming the little horn in Daniel 7 is a kingdom or a person?

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

I am asking you if you are claiming the little horn in Daniel 7 is a kingdom or a person?

Both.......

[douggg]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Both.......

If you claim that the seventh head is both the little horn (person) and the Roman Empire (kingdom).     In that case, it is a person who is "wounded to death" and healed back to life,  as well a kingdom... in your view.    

 

In Revelation 17:10, is it written seven kings?    Or does it say seven kings and seven kingdoms?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by douggg

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

If you claim that the seventh head is both the little horn (person) and the Roman Empire (kingdom).     In that case, it is a person who is "wounded to death" and healed back to life,  as well a kingdom... in your view.    

 

In Revelation 17:10, is it written seven kings?    Or does it say seven kings and seven kingdoms?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

The First 2 Beasts were Egypt and Assyria, when Daniel was given his dreams/understandings God saw no reason to add CONFUSION to the dreams by looking BACK IN TIME, so He gave Daniel the COMING BEASTS, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome BEFORE the Mortal Wound. The He gave Daniel a 5th Beast, the coming Little Horn who arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms BUT is not of the Greece Kingdom per se, just from their lineage. He also arises at the same time out of the Fourth Beasts Head, which means from the mirror image of the Roman Kingdom. So The Little Horn's Kingdom will look EXACTLY LIKE the Roman Empire Kingdom on a map, BUT....Of course its not the Roman Empire !! God is just telling us what it will look like, just like we look like our dads.

PAPA ABOVE..........Son BELOW: 

Notice how they are Carbon Copies when you add in the European Neighborhood Policy Nations, who are THE MANY in Dan. 8:25, Dan. :27 and Dan 11:40-43. He CONFIRMS a Covenant {Agreements} with MANY PEOPLES......Well these nations are THE MANY, reading Dan. 11:40-43 PROVES IT !! 

Now lets look at the Greek Kingdom on a map.....it looks nothing like either one of these above !!

The Greek Empire ventured East much further, but barley conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region, whereas Rome conquered the Entire Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline, and much of Europe, Greece didn't. 

HE COMES OUT OF THE HEAD OF THE FOURTH BEAST........Doesn't mean hes the Fourth Beast, it means he looks like the Fourth Beast his Papa !!

Hes a 5th Beast called the Little Horn. Which adds up to 7 Beast Heads in total, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome {Mortal Wound} and of course the coming Anti-Christ Kingdom which will be the 7th Beast Head. 

This is why he arises out of BOTH the Fourth Beast Head {Area on a Map, the E.U.} and out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms {Dan. 8} which is why we get the DETAILED LINEAGE in chapter 11 of the book of Daniel. 

I'll let you worry about the trivial trivialities, I understand the big picture brother. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 12/5/2019 at 4:17 AM, R. Hartono said:

In Aug or Sept ? 2012 i had a dream of seeing Pope Benedict was eating from a bowl, God then let me had a look into the bowl, it was just very few scraps of food remaining, then in early 2013 Benedict immediately resigned.

The wounded/healed king will speak blasphemy about what is in heaven; Revelation 13:6

That one verse, for me, makes clear that the deception has to do with the notion that mankind knows exactly what is outside of the sky.

Back in 2008 through 2015 sometime in there, the Vatican was reported as saying that "extraterrestrials" may "know more about God than we do".  

I say; the devil is a liar, physical 'aliens' from other 'planets' are part of the devils great planned out lie.

 

The eighth king is the seventh king.

"And the beast that was and is not, even he is the eighth and is of the seven, and goes into destruction" Revelation 17:11

The wounded/healed king.  Revelation 13:3, 17:8.

Before his wounding he is the seventh.

After he is seemingly wounded and healed he is like a different person and therefore eighth.

 

In the past it was more well known that the Pope acts very much as a king, commanding armies and everything...

[douggg]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I'll let you worry about the trivial trivialities, I understand the big picture brother. 

RM,  I had asked you a couple of simple questions regarding what is written in Revelation 17:10.    And instead of answering those simple questions, you go off on something else.

Here were my questions you did not answer.

 

In Revelation 17:10, is it written seven kings?    Or does it say seven kings and seven kingdoms?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

The seventh head on the first beast in Revelation 13 is a man who will be wounded as to death, but healed.     Those heads are not kingdoms.   They weren't kingdoms in Revelation 17.       What you , not the angel speaking to John, did is give the 7 mountains - a secondary explanation of your own to what those mountains represented,  claiming them to be kingdoms.

The angel in Revelation 17:9 did not say the 7 heads are 7 kingdoms.     The 7 heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits - a place.

If the 7 heads were kingdoms, the angel would have said - The seven heads are seven kingdoms.

 

There are not 7 kingdoms of Egypt, Assyria, ...... embedded in the text of Revelation.      Egypt and Assyria were not part of the four beasts coming out of the sea in Daniel 7.

The 7 kings in Revelation 17:10 are associated with the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7, the Roman Empire.    The 7 heads on the first beast in Revelation 13, are seven kings, and upon the heads the name of blasphemy.      It has nothing to do with a group of 7 kingdoms.

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And in the text of Daniel 7:23-24, it indicates that the ten kings, the ten horns, come out of the fourth kingdom - the term fourth kingdom appearing right in the text.           There are no 7 kingdoms involved in either Daniel, nor Revelation.

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by douggg