Cunning Manipulation or Christian Contiriton?

[George]

On 12/19/2019 at 8:54 AM, Margo1945 said:

does the same apply to you .. are you really a Christian who mocks others (eg. Lucky Repentance ... because I believe when one sins, they must repent aka turn back aka change back to God and HIS Will) .. or are you a tare .. only an Angel can tell which you are? 

Seriously, personal attacks are NOT TOLERATED!   Seriously ... it's REALLY SIMPLE ... when people use personal attacks ... it's because they are UNEQUIPPED to recover someone in error.  I do not believe you are such a person ... and so, pray, post in a manner to correcting someone IN LOVE that YOU MAY do what is commanded of US!

[Behold]

13 hours ago, Margo1945 said:

such is not  true

Here is what you said is not true., that i wrote.

1. Christ became our sin on the Cross.

2. WE dont have to confess our sin, after we are saved, to try to keep ourselves saved.

3. The Blood Atonement is an eternal forgiveness.

4. WE are , by Christ's Atonement, freed from the curse of the law.

5. Romans 3: 21-28 and Romans 4:8

You said all of that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. Is "not true".

So, what you should do, is find and  hang out with good New Testament teachers, who can help you to understand the Grace of God.

You really need to learn what this is, and how to understand the effect of it, and why it affects the way it does, all who are "saved by Grace thru faith".

Edited December 20, 2019 by Behold

[Behold]

9 hours ago, Margo1945 said:

"He is the one who keeps you............saved." ... only IF you let Him as He won't force you to be saved!

"We as the born again, don't have to confess sins to be forgiven..... This is because we are already forgiven, of all our sin." .. sooooooooo, license to sin, right

in keeping with aforementioned statement, I guess you can  blaspheme the Holy Spirit which is the only unforgivable sin but you would be forgiven without even asking coz you are "born again saved", right? .. 

"So, that verse in 1 Jn that you are confused about, is not relevant to the born again, as all their sins, have already been forgiven.   And not only that.....  = The Law has no more power to judge a born again person AS a sinner, as "Christ has redeemed ALL the Born again, FROM THE CURSE......OF......THE ......LAW">...  So we are not under that curse., as this is also what Jesus was taking care of, on the CROSS." .. first of all, I am not the one confused about the verse in John .. Christ paid the punish

Finally, "the grace of God" is a help, not a "get out of jail free card" .. and I am responsible, too, for my salvation in that I must believe and I do; I must love God and I do; I must obey Christ's two great commandmentseffects which will end in "death", if we don't turn back .. 

 

There is this big fat lie that is taught to a lot of believers which causes them to become, some of them, nearly anti-Grace, and others, completely Anti-Grace.

You seem to the "nearly"......as you do recognize that Christ died for one reason.   

So, here is the lie that you've been taught.  Let me recap.....   "OSAS, is a teaching that gives a carnal christian a license to sin".

Now who devised that lie?  Who came up with that deceitful  bumper sticker?    Its everyone who is trying to keep themselves saved by works and commandment keeping, and are not trusting in Christ at all.   Thats who came up with that little deceit filled world wide slogan.

Listen......To begin with, no one who understands Grace, who is born again..... teaches that its freedom to "do what tho wilt".....and noone who understands Grace, and is born again will live an unholy life, thinking its ok, because i have Grace".

Now do many Christians backslide?   Sure, but that is not because they are practicing a "license to sin", .. its simply because they love to sin.....it feels good to the flesh, and they want to do it more.   That has nothing to do with "Cheap Grace".  That has everything to do with the fact that this world offers some incredibly sensual stuff for us to DO, and its a very powerful attraction all the time, and sometimes a believer gives in to their FLESH.

So, this entire false concept of "license to sin"..., is just the Devil's lie, as noone who understand Grace and Teaches it as Paul defines it, or as I define it as He defined it.... should ever cheapen it by personally living like the devil.   This should not ever happen, but where it happens the most is in the imagination of radical commandment worshiping religious legalists, who devised this "bumper sticker" lie, to train people like you to be keepers of the law, to try to save yourselves, instead of Trusting in Christ alone, to keep you SAVED.

You have to face something.....that is proven by what you have written that you BELIEVE.........You have to face that you are not trusting in CHRIST ALONE to get you to heaven, and so, this means, you are not trusting in Him at all.   See, you can't say you trust him, then believe that what YOU DO now determines if you go to heaven or NOT.    Christ did not suffer and die on a Cross, so that you can take the credit for getting yourself to heaven.  So, stop taking the credit  for what you can't ever do......., and Give the Holy One who EARNED it, all the credit for having done it for you.

Amen, amen !!

 Paul teaches what you are doing....as this.   "you are fallen from Grace".   In other words, if you're saved, then God's grace became your Salvation, and you were born again,..... but then, over time, and probably due to terrible teaching you have received by your Pastor, Pope, Bishop, Minister, .. you have left Grace, and are now ALL ABOUT WORKS AND LIFESTYLE AND COMMANDMENT KEEPING, TO TRY TO KEEP YOURSELF SAVED.   SO, GRACE IS GONE.   ITS BEEN REPLACED by WORKs and COMMANDMENT Keeping .....or as Paul says.  "you are fallen from Grace".     And this is Legalism.

Let me assure you that every 15 min old babe in Christ, and every much matured in Christ like Paul, or me, or millions and millions of others, have all read a bible.  Have all studied the Word.  We are all,   I am, certainly, living our lives :  "Present your LIFE, yourself,  a LIVING Sacrifice" to God and Christ.    "be holy as God is holy".    That is what we are doing, what i am doing.

 THE Gospel of the Grace of God, that Jesus taught Paul, who taught us, is certainly anything but a "license to Sin".

And all those who told you this lie, you should turn from them and never look back, and you should invest the rest of your life discovering this wonderful Grace of God, that is the only reason that God will accept you.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Behold

[Alive]

@Margo1945

Let me ask you this. What does it mean to be "born from above".

What does this mean to you?

[Alive]

@Margo1945

What I meant is---what happens to you when you are born again?

[Alive]

53 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

and what I meant is what I have just repeated .. I go with God, not man, and He is advising me well .. STAY WITH GOD or STRAY WITH MAN

Ok @Margo1945 let's try this another way. Please keep in mind that I am only wanting to be of some help. I am not trying to hurt you.

You are well aware of the verses below. Do you manage this at all times? Every minute of every day and all of the days?

Please read the verses carefully. Do you do this? Absolutely nobody can or ever has except for Jesus.

According to your doctrine, you would have to be constantly repenting consciously and continuously in order to be forgiven. Nobody can do this. Its impossible.

Think about this please. This is why we need the blood of Christ. This is why we need the free Gift of Life via Grace with no strings attached. This is why Jesus had to die on the cross and fulfill the Law that we can't possibly do. He did this for you because you have zero chance of doing this yourself. So you either accept that He does it all, or you fail trying yourself.

Mark 12:29   Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. ³⁰ And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. ³¹ And the second, like it, is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

The following is how Jesus explained to this guy what it mean to love your neighbor. Have you ever passed by someone in need?

How many times unthinking have you done this?

Luke 10:29   But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

 

Luke 10:30   Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. ³¹ Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. ³² Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. ³³ But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. ³⁴ So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. ³⁵ On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, “Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’ ³⁶ So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”

Edited December 20, 2019 by Alive