The Holy Sabbath Day

[Guest yod]

OK...who are you and what have you done with Halifax???

thanks, brother.

This isn't going to be resolved and I should stop now before my intent is misunderstood.

Blessings to all the household of faith in Yeshua!

[other one]

Did you take my response to your question into consideration otherone?

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For the most part I do daily what you are suggesting the sabbath is for. I do have to work about every 6th weekend, but even then I walk with the Lord even those days.

Some people think I am nuts, but I even ask for His input on the printers Iam working on. I couldn't tell you of the times I've just given up and asked Him to fix the thing, packed up my tools and the printers work fine.

Making a single day to be extreamly close to Him, in my opinion, shortchanges the rest of the week. The Holy Spirit did not indwell and live with people in Old Testament days as it does now.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that if you keep the sabbath as a wholy day it is wrong. I'm just trying to tell you that for the most part you can live every single day that way.

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[Guest yod]

Amen!

hard to argue against fishing full-time.

except the other part of that commandment is

"Thou shalt work 6 days a week...."

[halifaxchristian]

My goodness, I think we all agree on something!!! haha.

[apothanein kerdos]

I for one am not claiming the Sabbath law has been nullified. It has been redefined under the new covenant (as has circumcision)

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Exactly. No one is saying we shouldn't keep the Sabbath, we're merely redefining what the Sabbath is.

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Who is 'we' and where is any man given the ability to change G-ds law or anniversary of creation?

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"we" is the people on this topic that have been arguing against the Sabbath only being on Friday evening to Saturday evening. That is a Jewish custom and not a Biblical fact.

Post 41 covered it but was dropped by all as "hogwash" without adequate responses.

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Still waiting for a response on post 41. Yod, I respect you, but I know you completely ignored what I wrote. The arguement I laid forth about Sabbath being any day is laid out in scripture.

[RGR]

Super Jew,

I'm not Yod but I'll interject a bit of my thought here. IMO, there is only ONE Sabbath and that would be Saturday. However as Christians, I believe the law was nailed to the cross and we are not required to keep the Sabbath anymore.

[Guest yod]

Still waiting for a response on post 41. Yod, I respect you, but I know you completely ignored what I wrote. The arguement I laid forth about Sabbath being any day is laid out in scripture.

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I didn't know you were waiting on me...sorry.

I read it, yes, it didn't seem to need a response because most of it was a commentary on scripture and not scripture itself. Here is the key sentence in the commentary, though.

As a result believers are delivered from these evil powers which inspire legalistic rules about foods and festivals

I agree with that statement overall (except calling any portion of the Word of God an "evil power") so I saw no reason to try and refute it.

There is quite a difference between faithfulness to the Lord's word and wishes versus a legalistic observance of rules and traditions.

If you would like, I will take that paragraph (written by a mere human) and give you a response point-by-point and sentence-by-sentence to show you where I agree and/or disgree with the professor at Dallas Theological Seminary. It seems like Zayit responded to parts of it already though?

I don't remember anyone being condemned for NOT observing Sabbath in this thread so far....I do remember the name "legalist" being implied against us though.

Who is judging whom?

[Guest Zayit]

I'm not Yod but I'll interject a bit of my thought here. IMO, there is only ONE Sabbath and that would be Saturday. However as Christians, I believe the law was nailed to the cross and we are not required to keep the Sabbath anymore.

Let's examine what was nailed to the tree?

2:10

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

2:11

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

2:12

Buried with him in baptism, wherein * * also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

2:13

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

As you can see in context that the way you are forgiven, as is the Jew, is that the charges that were written against you in the Judges book because you as a sinner broke the law, were nailed to the cross with his blood and thus your forgiveness is granted. It did not abolish the law, Yeshua himself said he came not to abolish it, but to fill it with its fullness, showing how to walk in this way. If you are truly in the new covenant, your heart has been circumcised and his laws written on your heart, those that were once written in stone, are now written on your heart, if you are truly saved.

The phrase "handwriting of ordinances" is not G-ds law. To read more and gain understanding of this hard saying please read this short page on this subject. http://www.torahofmessiah.com/whateversab.html Is you can't read the whole thing, then just page down a little to where it says : Colossians 2:14-23

[apothanein kerdos]

I read it, yes, it didn't seem to need a response because most of it was a commentary on scripture and not scripture itself.

Your interpretation of scripture is commentary as well though. It was commentary on a scripture, a certain interpretation.

The commentary brings up a good point, that Sabbath is no longer set for one specific day, but can be anyday. Besides, how do we truly know that Saturday is the 7th day? Keep in mind that the sun stood still for 24 hours according to the Bible. This means the rotation stopped, however time continued on meaning a day would have been lost. The calendar as we have it can't possibly tell us when the 7th day was.

Likewise, it no longer matters when it was. The scriptural analysis I gave shows that Sabbath was made for men to use. JEsus used this argument when He and His disciples were working on the Sabbath. He is the Sabbath. The day we choose to rest is not so much important to God as the fact we are at least taking time to rest in Him. Furthermore, we're using old testament laws to dictate when Sabbath is. Shall we also keep the feasts?

Listen, there are many laws and customs we no longer follow in the old testament and for good reason. The ark "held" God or was a symbol for His authority and marched out before Israel. We no longer have the Ark because the ark is within each of us. The temple could only be entered by certain people and before preparation. You could not go to the holiest places unless you were a priest. We no longer have to hold to this because we are now the temple in which the Spirit of God dwells. So why must our interpretation of the Sabbath remain the same?

I don't remember anyone being condemned for NOT observing Sabbath in this thread so far.

It's an implied condemnation Yod.

"God says the only true Sabbath is on Saturday and that we must adhere to it. Oh, but it's okay if you don't"

It just doesn't work that way. WHen you say it's God's law to hold Sabbath on Saturday, those of us that don't are pretty much being condemned.

[Guest yod]

Shall we also keep the feasts?

If you are asking MUST WE then I would say 'no'

If you are asking SHOULD WE then I would say "yes"

Should we celebrate Christmas? MUST we?

That arguement doesn't seem to stop anyone from clinging to a tradition that is definetly non-biblical. I am only advocating one that actually is biblically supported.,

"God says the only true Sabbath is on Saturday and that we must adhere to it. Oh, but it's okay if you don't"

Please quote any place where I said MUST ADHERE and I will gladly consent to your point. I can only assume you feel some conviction about this or you wouldn't be argueing so forcefully. Other than the exact timing of Sabbath I can't see where you and I disagree?

Yes, I have said (and will continue to repeat) that the Sabbath is everlasting...and there are so many places in the bible which say it is the 7th day that your opposition based on which day is the 7th one seems utterly silly to me.