Jump to content
Join us for Throwback Thursdays in Worthy Chat! Join us at 8 PM EST every Thursday.
Worthy Ministries invites YOU to our annual REAL ISRAEL TOUR, October 18-29, 2025!
IGNORED

Are you a True Human Being?

Raven
 Share

Recommended Posts

Raven

Raven

Posted
  • Group:  Advanced Member
  • Followers:  4
  • Topic Count:  15
  • Topics Per Day:  0.00
  • Content Count:  395
  • Content Per Day:  0.11
  • Reputation:   319
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  04/20/2015
  • Status:  Offline
  • Author
Posted

Sorry I asked the question of what a true human being is.

Did not expect such controversy and conformity from this Christian online community.

It is obvious that I am not welcomed here.

Matthew 10:13-15 If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.  14. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
 

BeauJangles

BeauJangles

Posted
  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  43
  • Topic Count:  229
  • Topics Per Day:  0.06
  • Content Count:  10,900
  • Content Per Day:  2.63
  • Reputation:   12,146
  • Days Won:  68
  • Joined:  02/13/2014
  • Status:  Offline
  • Birthday:  08/14/1954
Posted
1 minute ago, Raven said:

Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

You're cursing us now just because we made sport of your philosophical meanderings? 

missmuffet

missmuffet

Posted
  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  35
  • Topic Count:  2,155
  • Topics Per Day:  0.47
  • Content Count:  51,433
  • Content Per Day:  11.33
  • Reputation:   31,572
  • Days Won:  240
  • Joined:  01/11/2013
  • Status:  Offline
Posted
On 1/10/2020 at 4:22 PM, Raven said:

What exactly makes a True Human Being?

If Adam and Eve, before sin dominated them, were True Human Beings, then what is it about sin that made the difference?

So, what would it take for anybody, including Christians, to effect a reversal _ to become a True Human Being?

 

The last time I checked I was a true human being. 

Raven

Raven

Posted
  • Group:  Advanced Member
  • Followers:  4
  • Topic Count:  15
  • Topics Per Day:  0.00
  • Content Count:  395
  • Content Per Day:  0.11
  • Reputation:   319
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  04/20/2015
  • Status:  Offline
  • Author
Posted
1 hour ago, DustyRoad said:

You're introducing a Gnostic teaching on the forum... what did you expect? 

That is in your heads. How can a question, 'what is a true human being?', be a Gnostic teaching.

If I said 'what is a true Christian?' would that too be a Gnostic teaching.

 

 

 

other one

other one

Posted
  • Group:  Worthy Ministers
  • Followers:  32
  • Topic Count:  677
  • Topics Per Day:  0.09
  • Content Count:  59,966
  • Content Per Day:  7.65
  • Reputation:   31,356
  • Days Won:  327
  • Joined:  12/29/2003
  • Status:  Offline
Posted
2 hours ago, Raven said:

Sorry I asked the question of what a true human being is.

Did not expect such controversy and conformity from this Christian online community.

It is obvious that I am not welcomed here.

Matthew 10:13-15 If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.  14. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
 

using the Bible as a personal weapon is definitely scripture abuse and is very beneath a true human

Jostler

Jostler

Posted
  • Group:  Mars Hill
  • Followers:  24
  • Topic Count:  6
  • Topics Per Day:  0.00
  • Content Count:  2,679
  • Content Per Day:  1.14
  • Reputation:   3
  • Days Won:  16
  • Joined:  01/19/2019
  • Status:  Offline
Posted (edited)
On 1/10/2020 at 4:22 PM, Raven said:

What exactly makes a True Human Being?

If Adam and Eve, before sin dominated them, were True Human Beings, then what is it about sin that made the difference?

So, what would it take for anybody, including Christians, to effect a reversal _ to become a True Human Being?

 

If I'm understanding the assumption behind the question properly:

"Sin entered the picture, Adam and Eve ceased to be "true humans."

I'm not sure the assumption the question is founded on is correct.

Adam was human, so was Eve.  Before the fall they were pure in God's sight, after the fall they were defiled.  Their spirits died.  But that changed how they experienced and expressed their "true humanity".....i don't see that it changed their humanity.

As far as I can tell, they went from humans alive to God, to humans dead to God....but still fully human.

The answer to death is life.  To be born again.  Which is the primary reason God manifested Himself as a man.....son of Adam....Son of Man.   To pay the price for that new birth and make a way for the spirits of men to once more live to God.

 

Quote
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

 

Edited by Jostler
  • Thumbs Up 1
  • Brilliant! 1
  • Well Said! 1
Coliseum

Coliseum

Posted
  • Group:  Diamond Member
  • Followers:  14
  • Topic Count:  133
  • Topics Per Day:  0.06
  • Content Count:  1,123
  • Content Per Day:  0.53
  • Reputation:   2,055
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  09/07/2019
  • Status:  Offline
Posted
On 1/14/2020 at 2:21 PM, Raven said:

What exactly makes a True Human Being?

If Adam and Eve, before sin dominated them, were True Human Beings, then what is it about sin that made the difference?

So, what would it take for anybody, including Christians, to effect a reversal _ to become a True Human Being?

Does anybody know the truth?

Sir, I see this has caused "mayhem in the city." I am sorry you feel many folks do not accept you, as you stated. Personally, I do not have a problem that you believe things that many here don't. That is your right. I know what I believe, and you have a right not to embrace it. The problem for me is that I do not know what it is you believe. It is very difficult to have a sensible conversation if two people are talking about two different things at the same time. I do not have an agenda and I do not get defensive when others go "crazy." I state my case two or three times, and then I stop because I know some will not stop, and then it gets out of control, and we begin to lose sense of what it means to be civil. People get very emotional, sometimes to their detriment. 

This is the very first comment I have made to you, so I hope you do not think I am against you. I have no clue who you are and you have no clue who I am. But to answer your question, I really am not understanding what you mean when you ask, "What exactly makes a True Human Being"? My first question to you is do you believe in Christ such that, "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Let's start there. :)

 

  • 4 weeks later...
Wesley L

Wesley L

Posted
  • Group:  Advanced Member
  • Followers:  1
  • Topic Count:  11
  • Topics Per Day:  0.01
  • Content Count:  304
  • Content Per Day:  0.15
  • Reputation:   186
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  11/05/2019
  • Status:  Offline
Posted
On 1/11/2020 at 1:22 AM, Raven said:

What exactly makes a True Human Being?

If Adam and Eve, before sin dominated them, were True Human Beings, then what is it about sin that made the difference?

So, what would it take for anybody, including Christians, to effect a reversal _ to become a True Human Being?

 

Hello Raven,

I don't see anyone unwelcoming you. I think there is a misunderstanding.

I hope i can make things clear how i see it.

EXAMPLE:

When you assume that a rock has a fairy living inside and that the rock is just a temporary shell around the fairy that needs to be shedded.

You would ask this question:"What exactly makes a true rock?"

The question itself include the assumption that there is a fairy living inside.

Others who don't have this assumption wont understand the question at all.

So similar with your question, there is the assumption that godly being is living inside already. And that we need to shed our human shell becoming a true godly human.

Forgive me and enlighten me when i have totally misunderstood what you truly meant.

Since you use bible to quote, where can we find basis for this assumption in the bible?

 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Our picks

    • Exhortation - October 24, 2024

      Albert Finch posted a blog entry in Albert Finch Ministry,

      You are coming up higher in this season – above the assignments of character assassination and verbal arrows sent to manage you, contain you, and derail your purpose. Where you have had your dreams and sleep robbed, as well as your peace and clarity robbed – leaving you feeling foggy, confused, and heavy – God is, right now, bringing freedom back -- now you will clearly see the smoke and mirrors that were set to distract you and you will disengage.

      Right now God is declaring a "no access zone" around you, and your enemies will no longer have any entry point into your life. Oil is being poured over you to restore the years that the locust ate and give you back your passion. This is where you will feel a fresh roar begin to erupt from your inner being, and a call to leave the trenches behind and begin your odyssey in your Christ calling moving you to bear fruit that remains as you minister to and disciple others into their Christ identity.

      This is where you leave the trenches and scale the mountain to fight from a different place, from victory, from peace, and from rest. Now watch as God leads you up higher above all the noise, above all the chaos, and shows you where you have been seated all along with Him in heavenly places where you are UNTOUCHABLE. This is where you leave the soul fight, and the mind battle, and learn to fight differently.

      You will know how to live like an eagle and lead others to the same place of safety and protection that God led you to, which broke you out of the silent prison you were in. Put your war boots on and get ready to fight back! Refuse to lay down -- get out of bed and rebuke what is coming at you. Remember where you are seated and live from that place.

      Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses … to the end of the earth.”

       

      ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY
        • Thanks
        • This is Worthy
        • Thumbs Up
      • 3 replies
      Michael37

      Picked By

      Michael37,

    • The Simchat Torah War -- Is this a Water Breaking Moment of Revival?

      George posted a topic in Biblical Topic Videos,

      George Whitten, the visionary behind Worthy Ministries and Worthy News, explores the timing of the Simchat Torah War in Israel. Is this a water-breaking moment? Does the timing of the conflict on October 7 with Hamas signify something more significant on the horizon?

       



      This was a message delivered at Eitz Chaim Congregation in Dallas Texas on February 3, 2024.

      To sign up for our Worthy Brief -- https://worthybrief.com

      Be sure to keep up to date with world events from a Christian perspective by visiting Worthy News -- https://www.worthynews.com

      Visit our live blogging channel on Telegram -- https://t.me/worthywatch
      • 0 replies
      George

      Picked By

      George,

    • Understanding the Enemy!

      George posted a topic in Study Group,

      Understanding the Enemy!

      I thought I write about the flip side of a topic, and how to recognize the attempts of the enemy to destroy lives and how you can walk in His victory!

      For the Apostle Paul taught us not to be ignorant of enemy's tactics and strategies.

      2 Corinthians 2:112  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 

      So often, we can learn lessons by learning and playing "devil's" advocate.  When we read this passage,

      Mar 3:26  And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. 
      Mar 3:27  No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strongman; and then he will spoil his house. 

      Here we learn a lesson that in order to plunder one's house you must first BIND up the strongman.  While we realize in this particular passage this is referring to God binding up the strongman (Satan) and this is how Satan's house is plundered.  But if you carefully analyze the enemy -- you realize that he uses the same tactics on us!  Your house cannot be plundered -- unless you are first bound.   And then Satan can plunder your house!

      ... read more
        • Praise God!
      • 230 replies
      George

      Picked By

      George,

    • Daniel: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 3

      George posted a topic in Study Group,

      Daniel: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 3

      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this study, I'll be focusing on Daniel and his picture of the resurrection and its connection with Yeshua (Jesus). 

      ... read more
      • 13 replies
      George

      Picked By

      George,

    • Abraham and Issac: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 2

      George posted a topic in Study Group,

      Abraham and Issac: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 2
      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this series the next obvious sign of the resurrection in the Old Testament is the sign of Isaac and Abraham.

      Gen 22:1  After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
      Gen 22:2  He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."

      So God "tests" Abraham and as a perfect picture of the coming sacrifice of God's only begotten Son (Yeshua - Jesus) God instructs Issac to go and sacrifice his son, Issac.  Where does he say to offer him?  On Moriah -- the exact location of the Temple Mount.

      ...read more
      • 20 replies
      George

      Picked By

      George,
    View All
×
×
  • Create New...