How can you have assurance of salvation ?

[Billiards Ball]

16 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I think Jesus will lead you to pray constantly, obey the two great commandments, and read the Bible, cover to cover.

...And what does the person do/should do who has ten seconds to live, no Bible, no chance to read cover to cover...?

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said:

...And what does the person do/should do who has ten seconds to live, no Bible, no chance to read cover to cover...?

It very well may be that this person did not use the opportunity when they could to be in such a situation  God is the judge and we see Him in action on the Cross with the thief don't we... we also know those who have not the written Word has His Creative Word which holds all accountable of knowing that He is...

[johnthebaptist]

12 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

...And what does the person do/should do who has ten seconds to live, no Bible, no chance to read cover to cover...?

No one knows how much time they have to live. We should all immediately confess our sins and ask for forgiveness, if we haven't already, and walk with the Lord.

[Billiards Ball]

2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

No one knows how much time they have to live. We should all immediately confess our sins and ask for forgiveness, if we haven't already, and walk with the Lord.

Sounds like you're saying that person with seconds left to live, and no time to walk, should confess and ask for pardon.

That action--trusting Jesus, not oneself, for salvation--IS salvation.

Don't mistake sanctification--growing in holiness on the Earth--with salvation, having assurance that God will more fully transform us later, making us able to enter Heaven.

Thanks for your patience with our discussion.

[Behold]

14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Well, we need the Lord's help, I would agree, but we need to obey the Lord's commandments, and that requires effort.

What Christian would not think to keep the 10 commandments?

And the effort required to live a life that is pleasing to God, is empowered by Grace, or it fails.

ITs God who gives a born again person the power (Grace) to live the separated/ holy life.

If you try to keep the commandments in your own power, then it will be "effort" that will fail.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[Alive]

Everyone should know that God is far more anxious to 'save' an individual than that individual can possibly be.

Contemplate that for a while...the truth of that informs much thinking.

[Behold]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Everyone should know that God is far more anxious to 'save' an individual than that individual can possibly be.

Contemplate that for a while...the truth of that informs much thinking.

God saved us while we .....if i might paraphrase,..... "were yet sinning".

He saved not the good, but this......"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on God who justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness.""

Salvation is God dying on a Cross for the ungodly....the "sin sick".....the truly lost.

God offers His Son's BLOOD for our faith.   For FAITH ALONE........Not a lifetime of striving to live right and a vow of poverty.    He actually offers HIS Heaven not to the GOOD< but to all of us who are NOT, and only requires us to take His GIFT of ACCEPTANCE.  His GRACE.   His Atonement thru Christ..... by Faith.

Hallelujah !!!

What a SAVIOR.

WHAT A GOD.

WHAT A GOSPEL !!

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[Alive]

Exactly! So this is the thing. Everything in our theology needs to dance to the tune of the fundamental truths of what God accomplished in the Cross. Many flat errors and other doctrines that take other aspects of our lives ‘In Christ’ too far, readily occur because the fundamentals aren’t well established.

THere is simply nothing in the rescue that is outside the realm of Grace.

[Behold]

13 minutes ago, Alive said:

Exactly! So this is the thing. Everything in our theology needs to dance to the tune of the fundamental truths of what God accomplished in the Cross. Many flat errors and other doctrines that take other aspects of our lives ‘In Christ’ too far, readily occur because the fundamentals aren’t well established.

THere is simply nothing in the rescue that is outside the realm of Grace.

Training a New Convert..... before they are not snatched into Legalism, grabbed by a Mormon or JW,  or becomes stuck for life in the Rabbit Hole regarding Chasing Spiritual Gifts and the "infilling", or become Theologically unbalanced from too much "prosperity Gospel" teaching.   Here is how....

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"can 2 walk together unless they are agreed" ??????  = 500 Protestant denominations and a Catholic cult, JWs, Mormons.. etc.

All horses that start in the same gate, run on the same track.

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So, the problem isn't the person, its that they didn't start at the right Theological/Doctrinal gate,=  so they never got on Track.

Here is how you get them on Track, starting 10 mins after they are Born again.    

Start with Hebrews 13:9.   That's the starting gate, and if a brand new believer is not taught this, then they will end up chasing for life,  what that verse says not to chase.

 After you get them grounded in that verse, then you take them directly to PAUL's Epistles and only the Gospel of John, and you keep them there till they can Teach not only "Justification by faith".. but WHY its only "justification" by faith.

Once they are Theologically there, then its time for them to leave the nest and shine the Light, and you never have to worry about them showing up on a Christian Forum trying to prove if you don't keep the commandments you can "lose your salvation".

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[johnthebaptist]

5 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

Sounds like you're saying that person with seconds left to live, and no time to walk, should confess and ask for pardon.

That action--trusting Jesus, not oneself, for salvation--IS salvation.

Don't mistake sanctification--growing in holiness on the Earth--with salvation, having assurance that God will more fully transform us later, making us able to enter Heaven.

Thanks for your patience with our discussion.

We should all confess and ask for pardon.