Are we suppose to believe in aliens?

[Karen C.]

The Angels that Sinned

There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form, they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food, are capable of direct physical combat, some are the principal forces behind the world powers. They don't marry (in Heaven), but apparently are (or were) capable of much mischief.

The strange events of Genesis Chapter 6 are also referred to in the New Testament. Peter refers to events preceding the flood of Noah:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment..." 2 Peter 2:4

(Peter uses the term tartarus, here translated as hell. This was a Greek term for "the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world." Homer's Iliad portrays tartarus "as far below hades as the earth is below Heaven...")

Also, in Jude, it mentions them:

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6,7.

Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years.

God has not changed His attitude toward them; time has not mitigated the seriousness of their sin. False teachers are prewritten into condemnation.

The "Sons of God" Return?

There are many who believe that the recent "alien" involvements are also demonic and are just another precursor to the end-time. Some also believe that the Coming World Leader (for more information on the Coming World Leader, see our Briefing Package) may boast of an "alien connection." It would be consistent from what else we can infer from Scripture.

(The Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2 may be restraining far more than we have any suspicion of! When He is removed, the world is in for some astonishing surprises!)

In the meantime, what are our weapons of protection against such things? We do, indeed, "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Our armor is well defined in Ephesians 6:10-17.

[ayin jade]

It is still only a theory. Nowhere does it say that the sin of the angels that sinned means they had relations with mankind. The fallen angels did rebel against God. That is shown in scripture. That is a sin.

A lot of the things said about demons and ufos together is conjecture that is not supported in the bible. Some of it is based on extrabiblical texts. Sadly it is not treated as theory or speculation, but is often regarded as fact.

[nebula]

Well spoke, Jade!

[spiritman]

The Angels that Sinned

There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form, they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food, are capable of direct physical combat, some are the principal forces behind the world powers. They don't marry (in Heaven), but apparently are (or were) capable of much mischief.

The strange events of Genesis Chapter 6 are also referred to in the New Testament. Peter refers to events preceding the flood of Noah:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment..." 2 Peter 2:4

(Peter uses the term tartarus, here translated as hell. This was a Greek term for "the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world." Homer's Iliad portrays tartarus "as far below hades as the earth is below Heaven...")

Also, in Jude, it mentions them:

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6,7.

Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years.

God has not changed His attitude toward them; time has not mitigated the seriousness of their sin. False teachers are prewritten into condemnation.

The "Sons of God" Return?

There are many who believe that the recent "alien" involvements are also demonic and are just another precursor to the end-time. Some also believe that the Coming World Leader (for more information on the Coming World Leader, see our Briefing Package) may boast of an "alien connection." It would be consistent from what else we can infer from Scripture.

(The Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2 may be restraining far more than we have any suspicion of! When He is removed, the world is in for some astonishing surprises!)

In the meantime, what are our weapons of protection against such things? We do, indeed, "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Our armor is well defined in Ephesians 6:10-17.

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I just have a question, so that I can make sure that were talking about the same thing here. I believe that the orginal question was about space aliens; my definition of a space alien is

1. A being who current lives in the 2nd Heaven, and might travel between star systems in an advance warp drive spaceship.

2. A being who might be green in color who eats people, and might be a guest star in the next star trek film.

So is the definiton of an space alien to be expanded to the spirit realm now???

If so that opens up a new can of worms....

[other one]

I just have a question, so that I can make sure that were talking about the same thing here.  I believe that the orginal question was about space aliens; my definition of a space alien is

1. A being who current lives in the 2nd Heaven, and might travel between star systems in an advance warp drive spaceship.

2. A being who might be green in color who eats people, and might be a guest star in the next star trek film.

So is the definiton of an space alien to be expanded to the spirit realm now???

If so that opens up a new can of worms....

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#1 could be angels. They would be able to move between dimentions don't know about warp speed.

#2 if you read the book of Enoc (which is not really scripture) could be the Nephelim.

Spiritual aliens are a whole different can of worms

[spiritman]

I just have a question, so that I can make sure that were talking about the same thing here.

[Karen C.]

Spritman! It is an end time deception that of course encompasses the 'new age' and other occultic type of religion, especially pharmasuiticals. (end time prophesy, sorceries in Rev)

Another door for this dimension is thru the increase of drug use, legal and our excessive RX usage. I minister in prison and I have heard of the most terrifying experiences with this demonic dimension. It is through this "meth" (crank) epidemic. It is the only drug I have witnessed (first hand) that brings down the God given barrier in the mind that separates the things we should not see. One of the common factors to ALL of these is the "lights at night".

So it is not just my opinion I am writting here, it entails something that is OCCURING right now nation wide.

No little green men from centarus, but same old demonic forces dressed up for the tecnological age we are in.

[Karen C.]

Jade~

"In the mouths of two or three witnesses every word shall be established." In Biblical matters, it is essential to always compare Scripture with Scripture. The New Testament confirmations in Jude and 2 Peter are impossible to ignore.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:4-5

Peter's comments even establishes the time of the fall of these angels to the days of the Flood of Noah.

Even Peter's vocabulary is provocative. Peter uses the term Tartarus, here translated "hell." This is the only place that this Greek term appears in the Bible. Tartarus is a Greek term for "dark abode of woe"; "the pit of darkness in the unseen world." As used in Homer's Iliad, it is "...as far beneath hades as the earth is below heaven`." In Greek mythology, some of the demigods, Chronos and the rebel Titans, were said to have rebelled against their father, Uranus, and after a prolonged contest they were defeated by Zeus and were condemned into Tartarus.

The Epistle of Jude also alludes to the strange episodes when these "alien" creatures intruded themselves into the human reproductive process:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6,7

The allusions to "going after strange flesh," keeping "not their first estate," having "left their own habitation," and "giving themselves over to fornication," seem to clearly fit the alien intrusions of Genesis 6. (The term for habitation, oivkhth,rion, refers to their heavenly bodies from which they had disrobed.)

These allusions from the New Testament would seem to be fatal to the "Sethite" alternative in interpreting Genesis 6. If the intercourse between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were merely marriage between Sethites and Cainites, it seems impossible to explain these passages, and the reason why some fallen angels are imprisoned and others are free to roam the heavenlies.

Post-Flood Implications

The strange offspring also continued after the flood: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that..."The "Sethite" view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions "also after that." It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent "giants" in the land of Canaan.

One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God's instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a "gene pool problem" from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

Prophetic Implications

Another reason that an understanding of Genesis 6 is so essential is that it also is a prerequisite to understanding (and anticipating) Satan's devices and, in particular, the specific delusions to come upon the whole earth as a major feature of end-time prophecy.

[jesussaves]

I don't recall the Lord speaking aliens into existance when He created the heavens and the earth. I don't recall Him ever having the Israelites march around a space ship so He could fight for them against aliens.

It is the devil that is a deceiver. Look at all the junk that people believed in ancient Egypt and Greece and Rome about super beings and gods in the heavens, etc., etc..

Aliens...nope.

[nebula]

then, Christians are also aliens to this world, and the Angels are no longer aliens to us because we are brought into the kingdom of God; so we are adopted into their, (Angels family). by the blood of Jesus Christ;

No, we are not adopted into the Angels' family. We are adopted into God's family. We become sons and daughters of God, not of the angels, nor are angels considered our siblings. We are two entirely different creatures.