How much shaking will it take for His own to finally get it?

[Behold]

46 minutes ago, Gideon said:

We continue to believe! We abide by faith! Faith is not a stagnant one time thing. It is a walk of agreeing with God, as we grow up into Him in all things.  

 

 

You are again teaching that Faith saves.

It does not.    You are teaching that abiding in faith is Salvation,  and that is to teach that Faith is the savior, and Faith is not the savior.

God, Jesus on the Cross, and the Blood Atonement is the Savior.........not "abiding in faith".

You are not saved by "abiding", as that is teaching WORKS, and SELF EFFORT, and that is Galatians 1:8

We are Saved because we are BORN AGAIN. and kept saved for the same reason.   Its God who Saves and keeps you saved.   Its the fact of being born again that is the PROOF of Salvation.

Proof of salvation is not "good works" as these can be FAKED before PEOPLE..  But you can't fake being BORN AGAIN, as GOD is the one who Knows this, because He is the one who Caused it.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Behold

[Not me]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

My point is simply to make sure our foundation of pressing in is faith that we are, right now at this very moment, new creatures, with no dark in us. If we do not believe that, satan will have us on a never ending  circular path that promises to lead us to holiness..

Gideon it is here you are making a mountain out of a mole hill...God has solved all these issues by our deaths..

What is all this crap to a dead man...For we are either dead in Christ or not... If we choose to grab unto our deaths in Christ by faith we will walk in newness of life...There is no gray here.,. It shall happen, we will grow into it if we keep the faith... So once again different words same truths being adhered to.. 

It is when one truly sees their death in Christ that all this crap that gets you all twisted up with the this’s and the that’s...

 Believe by faith that you have died and your life is hid with Christ in God and your heart will rest and grow in Him and you will be a blessing to all those that have the pleasure to run across your path.,

In the beloved, Not me 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Not me

[kwikphilly]

30 minutes ago, Gideon said:

  43 minutes ago, Addy said:

@Gideon   All I know is that I suffered so deeply and WAS one of those MISERABLE Christians because I did not know if it was true that I could possibly lose my Salvation... This thought kept me from even TRYING to pursue God... NOW that I understand EVERYTHING about WHO I AM in CHRIST... oh man... What a difference.... NOW the JOY will come and fill me to overflowing.... NOW I can begin to discover what it means to be part of a FAMILY... and now I can begin to GROW in my maturity....

This truly is all I have to say about this topic....    I would like a baked potato with sour cream and bacon bits... and my steak... medium rare... THANKS... I will bring dessert... LOL   

Blessings Gids

  Excuse me Brother,I'm not trying to derail your thread &I didn't think you would mind if I make a comment to Addy

Blessings Dear Sister

HALLELUYAH!!!!!Welcome to the FAMILYI'm really excited for you Addy,it gives me much Joy to know you are truly RECEIVING .............................Praise Jesus!                               With love-in Christ<Kwik

[Not me]

20 minutes ago, Alive said:

But....with the 'or else' added in. Do what Gideon says 'or else' you lose the free Gift of eternal Life 'In Christ'

Its that 'or else' that ya gotta watch out for---always.

AN understanding of the 'Cross' and the work of the Cross clears that all up and this has been discussed with clarity, but never dealt with. Let's just ignore the Truth.

I’m sorry but the post I quoted of Gideon’s, I might have missed the “or else”...Or  it might have been in some of  his other posts, but I was not addressing them, only the post I quoted..

Be blessed as our hearts cry out after love, light, mercy and growing in Him..

A fellow brother in Christ, Not me 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Not me

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Not me said:

I’m sorry but the post I quoted of Gideon’s, I might have missed the “or else”...Or  it might have been in some of  his other posts, but I was not addressing them, only the post I quoted..

Be blessed as our hearts cry’s out after love, light, mercy and growing in Him..

A fellow brother in Christ, Not me 

Yup--I wasn't pointing you out, only taking opportunity to make a relevant statement. From the very first post of the very first thread and since then this is what he is saying. I knew exactly what this is because I am very familiar with this type of messaging.

Call it discernment, if you will. On a christian forum, such as this, all you can do is to type words and hope and pray that saints who are not grounded in Grace will be helped. The enemy is very subtle and thus--sometimes the lies are surrounded by truths.

Have a look at the early responses in the first threads.

[Not me]

20 minutes ago, Alive said:

Yup--I wasn't pointing you out, only taking opportunity to make a relevant statement. From the very first post of the very first thread and since then this is what he is saying. I knew exactly what this is because I am very familiar with this type of messaging.

Call it discernment, if you will. On a christian forum, such as this, all you can do is to type words and hope and pray that saints who are not grounded in Grace will be helped. The enemy is very subtle and thus--sometimes the lies are surrounded by truths.

Have a look at the early responses in the first threads.

No worries, for God is good and will perfect that which concerns us..

As I am sure, people can see in me, both a mixture of self and Christ, and that’s what I see in many here...There are those with closer personal relationships with Christ and those that are discovering the truth and the reality of this relationship... But as long as they all belong to Christ, they are His workmanship, and as scripture says, they will stand for God is able to make them stand...

Love your thoughts and the Christ I see in you..Be blessed and keep pressing into Him and great will your reward be..

A fellow laborer, Not me 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Not me

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Not me said:

No worries, for God is good and will perfect that which concerns us..

As I am sure, people can see in me, both a mixture of self and Christ, and that’s what I see in many here...There are those with closer personal relationships with Christ and those that are discovering the truth and the reality of this relationship... But as long as they all belong to Christ, they are His workmanship, and as scripture says, they will stand for God is able to make them stand...

Love your thoughts and the Christ I see in you..Be blessed and keep pressing into Him and great will your reward be..

A fellow laborer, Not me 

Amen brother! There is in all of us what 'appears' a duality and the apprehension of what we see depends entirely on one thing and that is a 'point of view'. Do we see from an earthly point of view, or do we see from a 'heavenly' point of view. The one is carnal or perhaps more aptly 'natural' and the other is the Father's point of view.

The Father's point of view when He looks at us is to 'see' Christ and the finished work.

So, we can fix our eyes on the flesh--this earthen vessel or we can fix our eyes on the 'Heavenly'. Where the Father by 'Grace' placed us.

This is what Paul teaches. This is a miracle of 'relocation' that only God could do and it cannot be undone. The very act of dying and being reborn with eternal Life denies it. Salvation is relocation and it is "of the Father". We did nothing to earn this and likewise, we can do nothing to 'unearn' it.

Col. 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Eph. 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Col. 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Col. 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.

[Not me]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

Amen brother! There is in all of us what 'appears' a duality and the apprehension of what we see depends entirely on one thing and that is a 'point of view'. Do we see from an earthly point of view, or do we see from a 'heavenly' point of view. The one is carnal or perhaps more aptly 'natural' and the other is the Father's point of view.

The Father's point of view when He looks at us is to 'see' Christ and the finished work.

So, we can fix our eyes on the flesh--this earthen vessel or we can fix our eyes on the 'Heavenly'. Where the Father by 'Grace' placed us.

This is what Paul teaches. This is a miracle of 'relocation' that only God could do and it cannot be undone. The very act of dying and being reborn with eternal Life denies it. Salvation is relocation and it is "of the Father". We did nothing to earn this and likewise, we can do nothing to 'unearn' it.

Col. 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Eph. 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Col. 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Col. 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.

Blessings, for great is your faith and great is your intimacy and knowledge of Christ....Be blessed in your personal relationship with Him..Knowing that regardless of how great this relationship might be at present, it is just a pecking on the surface of the deepness of this relationship, that is open to any and all that would keep their hearts willing..

To the keeping of our hearts willing, Not me 

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, Not me said:

So I guess I’m in the camp that misunderstands your intent.... But Gideon you seem to be looking for an argument with me that doesn’t exist... 

For Gideon all you have put forth is just standard Christian belief....

You say at our core we are new creatures which is absolutely truth..Scripture also calls this the new birth or the Divine nature come to birth in us... Same truth different words...

Than you say the only way for the new birth to grow is by believing the promises of God so this new Divine nature can grow and be manifested outwardly so it might be seen as fruit in ones life....Which also is true... Same truth different words..

Than you say a point must be reached where we get tired of always finding another layer of sin in us... This is just another way of saying as scripture puts forth coming to the end of ourselves with the “oh wretched  man that I am” same truth different words..

Than you say there is still this yucky stuff in the exterior of us..Which again is true put forth in scripture as being freed from the body of this death.. Same truth different words..

Than you say we should stop our introspection and look outwardly to Christ..Which is put forth in scripture about forgetting about what lays behind but look forward to the high calling of God in Christ Jesus..Same truth different words...

So by whatever words you choose to use there is no argument... So keep preaching and putting forth the Gospel and the Christian life... And it will go well with your soul..

Be blessed in Him, Not me 

Hello, my dear friend. Your first words took me aback. 

"For Gideon all you have put forth is just standard Christian belief...."

Brother, what I am put forth is standard Christian truth, but it is far, far, from standard Christian belief. And because of this, the vast majority of the church languishes in defeat, in lukewarmness, in going through the motions. Sin still rules when temptations arise. Self prevents saints from loving God with all of their hearts, and totally blocks real love for others even approaching our love for themselves. And in all this, the response is "We have need of nothing for we have grace that allows us to stay right where we are." 

There is little hunger for victory and as the darkness increases, this cannot continue. The message God has asked myself and others to share is the way to change all this, but until a heart is brought low, until we hate the fact we are not walking pleasing to God with our actions, our ears and eyes will remain blocked from receiving what God has for us.

Do you see the truth of our new creature being shared in any churches at present? Are the sheep being told they can hold up their shields of faith and not  yield to temptation? Are we taught that obedience is an actual promise of our glorious new covenant? Is there agreement with God that we must hate our own lives, our fallen natures, in order to walk in the new? 

Lukewarmness and going-through-the-motions Christianity has become the flavor of the day, where holiness is never discussed because it leads to guilt, and is thought impossible this side of Heaven. We do not believe who Christ has told us we are, and instead agreed with satan's lies that we are "just sinners saved by grace.... but incapable of being set free by it". 

Warnings and exhortations have been essentially excised from our Bibles,  and replaced with a grace that offers forgiveness but not freedom from committing sin, which is exactly how Jesus defined "free indeed". We are fed a never ending diet of forgiveness yet never taught that our birthright is to walk as overcomers, so we are never instructed as to HOW to see sin and disobedience defeated in our walks.   

I am thoroughly confused. Perhaps you can explain.

blessings,

Gideon

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Not me said:

Blessings, for great is your faith and great is your intimacy and knowledge of Christ....Be blessed in your personal relationship with Him..Knowing that regardless of how great this relationship might be at present, it is just a pecking on the surface of the deepness of this relationship, that is open to any and all that would keep their hearts willing..

To the keeping of our hearts willing, Not me 

My dear friend--I am at best an unfaithful servant, but the Lord has chosen to open my eyes to His simple Truth of Christ and did so when I was yet a babe. It didn't come through effort or any special grace or anything beyond what is there for all to see. I was a blank slate and hadn't been corrupted by christendoms many errors.

This stuff is not 'deeper hard to access' stuff. It is the most simple basic 'Gospel'.