2021 Rapture

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

1 Corinthians 15:8 (KJV) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [emphasis added]

The twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem will be named after the twelve Apostles. I'm reasonably sure the 12th Apostle is Matthias. The Apostle Paul, being the 13th Apostle, I've wondered how that fits in?

Hi Dennis,

Can I give my thoughts?

The 12 Apostles were those, as scripture tells us, who walked with Jesus, saw His death, resurrection and ascension. Thus they were to witness of that. (Acts 1: 22)

Then after Jesus ascended to the Father`s right hand He sent His Holy Spirit to build up the Body. And He did this individually in our lives as well as gifting ministries of Himself - apostles, prophets, teachers, shepherds, evangelists. (Eph. 4: 11 ) And as we read in God`s word we see people with these ministries. eg -

`Paul, Silvanus and Timothy.......nor did we seek glory from men.....when we might as apostles of Christ...` (1 Thess. 1 & 6)

These apostles were to build up the Body of Christ whereas the 12 apostles before were to witness especially to Israel.

Jesus told the 12 disciples that they would sit on throne ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel. And this is what we see in the New Jerusalem. (Matt. 19: 28,  Rev. 21: 14)

Different purposes for the different apostles, those of the 12 and those after the Lord was in glory. The 12 for Israel and the other apostles to the Body of Christ.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Romans 11:13 (KJV) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

It does not mean he was preaching a different gospel than the other apostles.  In fact all the apostles were told to go and preach to all the nations by Jesus.  So they were Apostles to the Gentiles as well.  If you do a little history you see that they all left Israel taking the Gospel to other parts of the world such as Asia, Macedonia, Rome, and Italy and India.     

Edited April 14, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You dont get it there is no Paul's Gospel.   Did Paul die for you sins?  Did Paul save you?   You reject the source of the Gospel.   We are not to follow Paul we are to follow Christ, if Paul's gospel is different from Jesus and all the other apostles that would make him a false apostle.  All the apostles were preaching the Gospel of Jesus not a different gospel.  

1Co 1:12-13 NLT - Some of you are saying, "I am a follower of Paul." Others are saying, "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Peter," or "I follow only Christ." Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!

There is only one Gospel and that's the Gospel that Jesus preached and taught and anything outside of that is a false gospel.

Perhaps you should try reading instead of ad libbing:

Romans 2:16

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

I did not write this, Paul wrote it under the influence of the Holy Spirit.  GOD will judge, by Jesus Christ according to Paul's gospel. Now, you can change your thinking and believe what is written, or you can continue to believe what is contrary to what is written: your choice. 

 

What you are missing: WHO gave Paul his gospel? Of course, JESUS gave it to him by way of revelations.  So is it really "Paul's?" No, it is the Lord's gospel for the Gentiles that was sent to Paul. We call it Paul's gospel because He called it "My gospel."

 

Here is TRUTH: if you are a Gentile Christian, the portion of the bible written straight to you is the Pauline Epistles. They are all written TO Gentiles. 

 

What you are missing: Jesus preached to the Jews. What He said was pointed straight at the Jews. His gospel was FOR the Jews . But when the Jews rejected Jesus and His gospel, Jesus turned to the Gentiles and sent Paul, with the gospel for the Gentiles. It STILL came from JESUS! But it was pointed straight a the Gentile believers. Do you imagine Paul just ad libbed what He wrote? Surely you don't!  It was God breathed just as the other scriptures. 

 

Therefore, my friend, it is you who doesn't "get it."  No one I know of says they follow Paul. But we learn of his gospel by reading his epistles.  When someone is born again by the "Roman road," are they following Paul? Not at all. It is only that Paul wrote a simple way for Gentiles to get born again.  Yes, back then some DID say they were following Paul.  I have never heard anyone say that. 

 

But then, that being said, What did Paul write?  

 

1 Corinthians 4:16  Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1 Corinthians 11:1  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Philippians 3:17  Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

2 Thessalonians 3:7  For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

 

Not many men could or should say , "follow me as I follow the Lord," yet Paul said it. And He wrote it being inspired by God. So it is OK to follow Paul. We are  to be judged by HIS GOSPEL.  Are you getting this? It is OK to follow Paul! We are INSTRUCTED to do so. It would seem then that you are being disobedient to Paul's command. 

[iamlamad]

59 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

It does not mean he was preaching a different gospel than the other apostles.  In fact all the apostles were told to go and preach to all the nations by Jesus.  So they were Apostles to the Gentiles as well.  If you do a little history you see that they all left Israel taking the Gospel to other parts of the world such as Asia, Macedonia, Rome, and Italy and India.     

But to WHOM in those lands were they sent? 

Galatians 2:8  (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

1 Corinthians 15:8 (KJV) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [emphasis added]

The twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem will be named after the twelve Apostles. I'm reasonably sure the 12th Apostle is Matthias. The Apostle Paul, being the 13th Apostle, I've wondered how that fits in?

Two people who have been to heaven and were prayed back, said they saw the names on the foundations: these names in this order: Peter, Paul, James and John.....Neither got a chance to see more or else they did not write it. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Ch. 7 of Rev. is an overview of those who turn to God is the Great Tribulation. It shows God`s great mercy amid His judgments.  

You can think this, but you will be thinking wrong. It is not a preview: these two events shown in chapter 7 are two events that MUST take place before the "HURT" of the 70th week starts - else God would be disagreeing with Himself. NEVER will happen! 

The 144,000 MUST be sealed before any trumpet judgments and the raptured church MUST be seen in heaven before wrath will begin. That is chaptr 7 in a nutshell. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Those represented in Thyatira in our day will certainly go into the great tribulation unless they repent as Jesus said.

This message was directed right to a harlot living in John's day, from what is written. Yes, it may have application today also, but God was telling HER to repent or else. This verse tells me God can create "great tribulation" when ever He wants!

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

Lamad  thinks he can add a pre-trib rapture, and a first resurrection of the ones in Christ prior to the one in Rev. 20, I find no surprise that he wants to add another gospel to the Bible also.  

Sorry to blow your theory, but I add nothing that is not written. Some people imagine, because that resurrection is written in Rev. 2o, that it is confined to the TIMING of Rev. 20. It is not only first in timing, it is first in priority. It is only for the righteous - staring with Jesus.  But He was only the firstfruits; many others will follow in their time. 

Neither have I created a gospel. Paul called it HIS gospel. Therefore, go argue with Paul.

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, Behold said:

Heberes 13:9 

 

 

I couldn't find Heberes 13:9, but I found this one:

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

[Behold]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I couldn't find Heberes 13:9, but I found this one:

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

here you go..   Heb 13:9

"Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them."