2021 Rapture

[iamlamad]

47 minutes ago, The Light said:

Please post the verses and give your explanation.  I will be happy to provide the proof that you are in error.

You know the Word of God - or you SHOULD being here trying to teach others - where the two mentions of the 1260 days and the two mentions of the 42 months are found. I already gave my explanation: these verses where this period of time is mentioned is the START of the countdown to the end of the week. It's a pretty simple concept: just count backwards, 1260, 1259, 1258, ETC. 

[iamlamad]

54 minutes ago, The Light said:

  1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

3. On the 1260th day into this 7 years, the man of sin will enter the new Jewish temple and declare HE is the God of the Jews (the God that created everything).

I see no scriptural support. Please produce the scripture that supports the erroneous conclusion.

Preconceptions are blocking your understanding: I GAVE the support: Daniel 9:27

hebrew chetsiy
Strongs:

1.  half: 

    a.  half

    b.  middle

God knows how to divide in half. Proven in 7 different verses. 

Where do you think God and John came up with the 1260 days? It comes from dividing the entire 70th week in days by 2. See how simple?

360 times 7 equals 2520 days. Divide by 2 equals 1260 days. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

  1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

4. From that event to the end of the week will be another 1260 days. 

I see no scriptural support. Please produce the scripture that supports the erroneous conclusion.

Try to find the two mentions of the 1260 days. It should not be that difficult. First, remove preconceived glasses: God came up with the 1260 by dividing the entire 7, 360 day years by 2. "Chetsiy." Divide by two.  Fifth graders can divide by 2: I have no doubt at all that you can also.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

  1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

5. That event will be "marked" in heaven by the 7th trumpet.

Oh please, I've got to see this scriptural support for this. Sounds like imagination.

What did Jesus tell those living in Judea to do - and WHEN? WHEN they see the abomination (you know: that event that will divide the week into two halves?) they are to FLEE. Where do we see that fleeing? It is in 12:6. Therefore, by logic, 12:6   is only seconds after the man of sin will have entered the temple and did his deed: the abomination. Without a doubt He will have an IMAGE to place in the most Holy Place in the temple. 

So BACK UP verse by verse from 12:6 and look for a REALTIME event: a seal, a trumpet or a vial. You will back up to the 7th trumpet just as I did. 

However, if you wished to place the midpoint at 12:6, you would only be a second or two off. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

  1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

6.  There will be 42 months of trampling that will start just a few days before the 7th trumpet. 

7. There will be 1260 days of testifying that will start just 3.5 days before the 7th trumpet.

8. There will be 1260 days of fleeing that will start just seconds after the 7th trumpet. 

9. There will be 3.5 years of supernatural protection that will start soon after the 7th trumpet.

10. There will be 42 months of authority given to the Beast that will begin some unknown time after the 7th trumpet.

11. There will be some unknown event that will happen 1290 days after the 7th trumpet.

12. There will be some unknown event that will happen 1335 days after the 7th trumpet. 

These are just a bunch of unsupported conclusions that are imagined. Try imagining how these events can occur when the mystery of God is finished when the angel begins to blow the 7th trumpet. Here is the scriptural support.

Rev 10

⁷ But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

See, I didn't have to imagine anything. I didn't have to get out the sledge hammer and beat this together. It right there in the Word. No imagination.

u can learn how to get that snow cone. All the information is there. All you have to do is believe it and quit making it an unknown mystery.

Preconceptions are terrible things that prevent people from understanding what they are reading. They are not unsupported at all: they are SCRIPTURE rightly divided and correctly understood. 

Please explain this "mystery" to the best of your ability.  Actually, you don't even have to for John already did: 

Rev. 11:¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

It is no longer a mystery: the mystery ended when John wrote. 

Here is truth - if you really do care for truth:

Just days BEFORE this no longer a mystery event will happen, the man of sin will arrive in Jerusalem: perhaps by plane, perhaps by train, or perhaps on horseback - with Gentile soldiers with him. This is what is happening in Rev. 11:1-2.

Then suddenly TWO WITNESSES will show up (in Jerusalem). They will show up then because the man of sin showed up (in Jerusalem) then.

Then the "no longer a mystery" event happens: the 7th trumpet is sounding and the Kingdoms of the word are TRANSFERRED legally to Jesus Christ. (It is like a real estate closing).

Then AFTER this "no longer a mystery" event, those in Judea will begin to flee.

Some time AFTER that, the Beast's 42 months will begin. 

See how simple it is if we just follow the text written by John? It is a REVEALING, not a hiding. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

The Greek word for “wonder” in verse 1 means “sign” and God’s Word declares that there will be a sign in the heavens when Mary went into labor and gave birth to Jesus Christ. The Word of God is written across the heavens and in the stars. The signs of the Zodiac were originally not used in astrology but each one signified a characteristic of the life and ministry and kingship of Jesus Christ, the promised Savior and Son of God. The sign of the women that the Bible is referring to here is to the constellation Virgo. Revelation 12 further states that this woman was “clothed with the sun” another celestial body. The sun, as it appears to travel through the ecliptic each year, enters into the mid-body between the neck and the knees of the constellation Virgo, clothing her with the sun for approximately a 21 day period during any given year. In the year 3 B.C. which we later show by other celestial events in the heavens to be the year of the birth of Jesus Christ, the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th. Revelation also declares that “the moon was under her feet.” With these two specific details, we can pinpoint the birth of Christ very precisely. In 3 B.C. the sun and the moon in Virgo occurred on only one day and that was September 11. The configuration of the sun and the moon was visible in Palestine between sunset and moonset, this twilight period being called “night” in the Bible. On September 11, 3 B.C., sunset was at 6:18pm and moonset at 7:39 pm. Jesus Christ was born on September 11, 3 B.C sometime in that eighty-one minute span of time between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm. Amazingly this corresponds to Tishri 1 on the Jewish Calendar which is the First day of the festival of the Feast of Trumpets. We will discuss the wonderful significance of this in a minute but I also wanted to share that was another significant astronomical display on September 11, 3 B.C.

From sunset of September 11, 3 B.C. to September 11, 3 B.C. Jupiter and Regulus could be seen approaching conjunction before dawn. Although the precise astronomical conjunction occurred on September 14, the angle of observation and Jupiter’s slow apparent motion would have made their close rendezvous obvious as early as the predawn hours of Thursday, September 12, within hours of the Messiah’s birth. At that time the king planet Jupiter could be seen approaching the king star Regulus in the constellation of Leo, the sign of Judah from whose seed the Messiah, the promised seed came.

Exactly one month before (on August 12) the world would have witnessed the close conjunction of Jupiter (reckoned astrologically as the Father) and Venus (the Mother) when they were only .07 degrees from one another when they appeared as morning stars on the eastern horizon. This was a very close union. But then, nineteen days later (August 31), Venus came to within .36 degrees of Mercury in a very similar astronomical display. Then, on September 11th, the New Moon occurred which represented the Jewish New Year. This happened when Jupiter (the King planet) was then approaching Regulus (the King star). And, on September 14, Jupiter and Regulus came to their first of three conjunctions in this extraordinary year. Then, over an eight month period, Jupiter made its “crowning effect” over the King star Regulus. There could hardly have been a better astronomical testimony to the birth of the new messianic king from the Jewish point of view. Why? Because every one of these celestial occurrences I have mentioned happened with the Sun or planets being positioned within the constellation of Leo the Lion (the constellation of Judah — from whence the Messiah was destined to emerge) or in Virgo the Virgin. The apostle John may have seen importance in these extraordinary occurrences when he symbolically showed that Jesus was born at the New Moon of Tishri, the Day of Trumpets (Revelation 12:1–3).

Jesus Was Born on the Day of Trumpets

If one can realize that the New Testament shows Jesus born on the Day of Trumpets (the first day of Tishri ― the start of the Jewish civil year) an impressive amount of symbolic features emerge on the biblical and prophetic scenes. Before the period of the Exodus in the time of Moses, this was the day that began the biblical year. It also looks like this was the day when people were advanced one year of life ― no matter at what month of the year they were actually born.

Notice that the patriarch Noah became 600 years of age “in the first month [Tishri], the first day of the month [later to be called the Day of Trumpets]” (Genesis 8:13). That was the very day when “Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry” (v. 13). This was not only Noah’s official birthday, it became a new birth after the Flood for the earth as well.

There is more. Even the first day of creation mentioned in Genesis 1:1–5 could be reckoned as being this very day. The early Jews discussed whether the actual creation took place in spring or in autumn. But since the autumn commenced all biblical years before the Exodus (Exodus 12:2), and since all the fruit was then on the trees ready for Adam and Eve to eat (Genesis 1:29; 2:9, 16–17), it suggests that the month of Tishri was the creation month, beginning near the autumn. If so, then the first day of creation mentioned in Genesis was also the first of Tishri (at least, Moses no doubt intended to give that impression). This means that not only was this the birthday of the new earth in Noah’s day and what was later to become the Day of Trumpets on the Mosaic calendar, but it was also the day which ushered in the original creation of the heavens and the earth.

As shown before, among the Jews this day was called Rosh ha-Shanah (the Feast of the New Year). The majority belief of Jewish elders (which still dominates the services of the synagogues) was that the Day of Trumpets was the memorial day that commemorated the beginning of the world. Authorized opinion prevailed that the first of Tishri was the first day of Genesis 1:1–5. It “came to be regarded as the birthday of the world.” 

https://goodnessofgodministries.international/2011/12/22/when-was-jesus-christ-born-the-bible-says-september-11-3bc-the-day-of-the-feast-of-trumpets/

. The sun, as it appears to travel through the ecliptic each year, enters into the mid-body between the neck and the knees of the constellation Virgo, clothing her with the sun for approximately a 21 day period during any given year. 

Thanks for that explanation of "clothed with the sun." Along with this then, the moon must be at her feet: this is usually only a one day event. A day before and the moon is perhaps at her knees; a day late and the moon has moved away from her feet.  So far this could fit almost any year.  I don't think the sun at her knees fits: clothing covers up private parts of the body.  So taking only those years where the sun was from her shoulders down to her waist would eliminate most years.  

I would only add one comment: if the planetarium software said 3 BC, it was really 2 BC, because the computer imagines there is a "zero" year. 

Good post!

Edited May 23, 2020 by iamlamad

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Preconceptions are terrible things that prevent people from understanding what they are reading. They are not unsupported at all: they are SCRIPTURE rightly divided and correctly understood. 

Please explain this "mystery" to the best of your ability.  Actually, you don't even have to for John already did: 

Rev. 11:¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

It is no longer a mystery: the mystery ended when John wrote. 

Here is truth - if you really do care for truth:

Just days BEFORE this no longer a mystery event will happen, the man of sin will arrive in Jerusalem: perhaps by plane, perhaps by train, or perhaps on horseback - with Gentile soldiers with him. This is what is happening in Rev. 11:1-2.

Then suddenly TWO WITNESSES will show up (in Jerusalem). They will show up then because the man of sin showed up (in Jerusalem) then.

Then the "no longer a mystery" event happens: the 7th trumpet is sounding and the Kingdoms of the word are TRANSFERRED legally to Jesus Christ. (It is like a real estate closing).

Then AFTER this "no longer a mystery" event, those in Judea will begin to flee.

Some time AFTER that, the Beast's 42 months will begin. 

See how simple it is if we just follow the text written by John? It is a REVEALING, not a hiding. 

Yep, there is no mystery. The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord. Jesus has returned at the 7th trump, Armageddon is over and so is the wrath of God.

Go back and read Genesis 7 and tell me how many floods there are.

Edited May 23, 2020 by The Light

[CaptWalker]

1 hour ago, RonaldBruno said:

Wait a minute. If we are currently counting 365 day years plus an extra day every 4 years to equal 2020, that would account for 29.16 more years if we used a 360 day year ( starting from 1 AD)  - making it the year 2049. 

Regardless, 1 revolution around the sun takes 365.25 days.  

The Jewish calendar has 7 out of 19 embolismic years, which they add an extra month ( leap month) - 2 Adar, in order to align with the solar/seasonal year.

Well either i was wrong or you were misunderstanding me...but the way i was looking at it was that if both calendars began on Jan. 1st, then the 360 days would end on Dec.25-26(no Christmas reference intended) and then do that about 73 more times/years and there's would be about one full year behind ours, not counting leap years. And btw, i was counting from 29 AD or later, and then do that for about 20 centuries and there's would be WAY behind ours...right?? And not even taking into consideration that the Jewish lunar calendar is actually 354-55 days. But not any of this it really means anything or has to do with the last days, but who knows?

Either way i have always been fascinated by the Tunguska event and just can't see how this would not be significant as far as Prophecy goes? Almost like the Mt. Saint Helens eruption in '80, and that photo of the "face of God" as some called it which appeared in one of the smoke clouds shortly after the eruption.  

[CaptWalker]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is a myth that Herod died in 4 BC.  So the 29 AD is also a myth.  The stars and planets don't lie. According to planetarium software and Rev. 12:1, Jesus was born in 2 BC.  From 10 BC to 10 AD, 2 BC is the only year that Virgo was "clothed with the sun" and had the moon at her feet. 

In 4BC the sun is at her head: hardly "clothed."  In 3 BC the sun is over her left forearm: again hardly "clothed."  in 2 BC the sun  is on her left shoulder - the closed I can come in my mind to her being "clothed."  In 1 BC the sun is at her finger tips of her left arm.  In 1 AD the sun is at her left elbow.  Science of the planets is probably very precise: understanding "clothed with the sun" may not be. 

Well maybe it was just a myth, but most if not all scholars do agree that Christ was born about 2 years before Herod's death, due to the decree he made to kill all the newborn infants, in trying to kill the Christ child. Either way, if Christ was born around 2-3 BC, it would mean Herod died right at the turn of that century,between AD and BC...? Which could very well be possible, but i prefer to go with the agreed upon historical evidence rather than on opinions based on some Astrological alignments, which we see and hear about all the time but end up having little to do with anything other than being very interesting.  

Edited May 23, 2020 by CaptWalker

[Justin Adams]

43 minutes ago, CaptWalker said:

Well maybe it was just a myth, but most if not all scholars do agree that Christ was born about 2 years before Herod's death, due to the decree he made to kill all the newborn infants, in trying to kill the Christ child. Either way, if Christ was born around 2-3 BC, it would mean Herod died right at the turn of that century,between AD and BC...? Which could very well be possible, but i prefer to go with the agreed upon historical evidence rather than on opinions based on some Astrological alignments, which we see and hear about all the time but end up having little to do with anything other than being very interesting.  

It has been well researched that Herod's death was wrongly recorded. "Have they not heard, have they not seen...indeed they have" says the apostle and quotes, "the heavens declare the glory of God" from the psalm. The Hebrew text actually says "their line has gone throughout..." This is referring to the line of the ecliptic.

In those days, they knew about the heavens - they had no TV and they were astrologically savvy. Even the Synagogues had star charts - not for astrology which was anathema, but so the priests could get a handle on the correct seasons etc. We are so far removed from their ways that we think these things 'quaint' and dismiss them readily.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Justin Adams