The Shakings are beginning (written in late 2019)

[Behold]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

 

I never changed anything, Peter went out and wept bitterly.

 

To gain eternal life we must continue to follow Christ, not only at the beginning of our Christian experience, but daily and throughout life Luke 9:23.

 

Yes you did change the scripture, in you comment.  You said that because peter repented all was ok.

But your verse does not say that if you repent from denying the Lord, all will be ok.     But you said it will be ok.    

Also you dont "gain" eternal life by following anyone.  And to teach that you are to gain it by doing something rejects the Grace of God as being a Free Gift, and denies that The Cross and Jesus's blood is what GAINED your eternal life FOR YOU.

You think you are to gain it, and that is a false Gospel that denies that JESUS Gained it for everyone.  John 3:16.     You are trying to be your own savior by following.  You are teaching that following Christ is what saves YOU, when in fact its being Born Again that saves a person. And being Born again does not come by following, it comes by BEING Born Again by God, when you give God your Faith and He gives you the "righteousness of Christ"..    

Listen, you are not saved by following anyone, you are saved because JESUS SAVES YOU with His Blood and His Death.

God has to deal with your SIN thru using the shed blood of JESUS.  And you dont get that by following Christ's footsteps, Hazard.

 "Jesus Himself entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own BLOOD, = thus obtaining eternal redemption for us".

Edited April 16, 2020 by Behold

[Not me]

@Gideon

A lot of words..

But the question is;

Are you dead in Christ or not?

Peace my brother as you look to God for the answer.... 

Not me 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Not me

[Behold]

4 hours ago, Gideon said:

Brother, I have asked you kindly, but  the accusations of heresy need to cease. If you want to air your opinions on what you believe and why, fine, but no more classifying any who disagree with you as following heresy. out

I am asking you again of respect, please avoid the aggressive attacks. I do not want to seek the Worthy team to get involved, but you are taking it too far, and I will if you force my hand. 

Look, brother, If you find you disagree with me and cannot control your words, would it not be easier to simply avoid my posts altogether? 

Thanks in advance, 

Gideon

 

Listen, 

Here is your problem.   You are teaching real believers here that you believe they can lose their salvation.  The way you do it, is typical of those like you, who explain that by this work, or by that self effort, or by Trusting In Faith as the Savior, or by enduring to the end by self effort, that all THIS keeps you saved,... and if you don't do all this Cross rejecting self effort, then you are going to hell.

That is what you are teaching and teaching and its deeply offensive to the Truth, regarding the Grace of God as "the GIFT of Salvation" "The Gift of Righteousness".

So, thats  Legalism.  Its the idea and theology that rejects the Blood Atonement as ALL that God requires or offers to save a person and keep them saved.

Phillipians 1:6    explains to you that God starts salvation in a person, then He himself is FAITHFUL TO complete it...    That is Paul's gospel. Its  the Gospel of the Grave of God.  Its "justification by Faith" "without works"..... You are denying that with your self saving Posts and Threads that do not give God, Christ, and the Blood of Jesus.... all the Credit for Salvation due them...   You instead bypass this and speak constantly about self effort to try to achieve entrance into heaven. 

So, you are welcome to contact George, or any of the Mods here, as they are familiar with the Grace of God, and they are certainly familiar with how many who show up here try to change the Grace of God into the false gospel of works and self effort, using Threads and Posts.

[Behold]

3 hours ago, Gideon said:

 

Matthew 24, not to hurt us but to bring us to the point we finally believe Him  He asks  one thing of us. ONLY BELIEVE. No work Simply agree with Him. 

 

Reader, 

Matthew 24 is talking about the Great Trib.  The Born again wont be there.

Salvation is "Grace thru Faith, without the works of the Law".

"faith is COUNTED, AS, Righteousness".

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested".  "The Gift of Righteousness"

""To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that GOD might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

"God who HIMSELF Began Salvation in the Born Again, will Himself be FAITHFUL to Complete it".

Not by our works, or enduring to the end,  or keeping our faith,  or striving to live Holy, but ACCORDING TO GOD'S MERCY = HE SAVED US.

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Behold

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, Not me said:

@Gideon

A lot of words..

But the question is;

Are you dead in Christ or not?

Peace my brother as you look to God for the answer.... 

Not me 

All who love the Lord in truth are, but it will profit is nothing until we  believe it.  As long as we remain  where we are, we allow  satan opportunity to keep us bound, even though we have been offered free indeed. Are we not tired of sin still capturibg us, of the world still tantalizibg us, of self refusing to climb down off the throne of our hearts? Are we satisfied with simply being forgiven, or do we hunger for God AND His righteousness filling our hearts? 

God gave the Israelites the land of promise. That is why they left Egypt.  But the 600,000 souls who left Egypt refused to believe it was possible to take the land because of the strength of those who inhabited it.  How many of those 600,000 entered in? Two. 

Being given rhe land and taking it by faith are two completely different things. The fact that so many get sidetracked by rhe OSAS discussion is satan's attempt to blind us to the truth of what God offers us if we will only believe. 

If we started well by faith, should we not want to grow in faith, to become established  in it, to earnestly contend for it? Why  is there hesitancy when God promises to plant our feet in complete victory? 

blessings, dear brother

Gids

Edited April 16, 2020 by Gideon

[Not me]

32 minutes ago, Gideon said:

All who love the Lord in truth are, 

I will take this as a yes.

If you would,  please write out what it means to be dead in Christ...

From a fellow believer who has died with Christ, blessings, Not me 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Not me

[Blood Bought 1953]

10 minutes ago, Gideon said:

All who love the Lord in truth are, but it will profit is  not unless we  believe it. remaining where we are gives satan opportunity to keep us bound, even though we have been offered free indeed. Are we not tired of sin still capturibg us, of the world still tantalizibg us, of self refusing to climb down off the throne of our hearts.c

God gave the Israelites the land of promise. That is why they left Egypt.  But the 600,000 souls who left Egypt refused to believe it was possible to take the land because of the strength of those who inhabited it.  How many of those 600,000 entered in? Two. 

Being given rhe land and taking it by faith are two completely different things. The fact that so many get sidetracked by rhe OSAS discussion is satan's attempt to blind us to the truth of what God offers us if we will only believe. 

If we started well by faith, should we not want to grow in faith, to become established  in it, to earnestly contend for it? Why  is there hesitancy when God promises to plant our feet in complete victory? 

blessings, dear brother

Gids

Being given rhe land and taking it by faith are two completely different things. 

This is the the reason I keep going on about “ Resting in the Gospel.” If one will study Hebrews , ch. 3 and 4 , they will see that this “ rest” is analogous to the to the Test given to the Jews in the desert .God gives a Promise .....a Promise Of an obtainable Rest and all one has to do is take God at His Word .The Jews lacked the Faith to enter God’s Rest.God has recreated the same scenario for the“ Believers” Of today. God has given a Promise——Believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead.....Believe it to the point that This Gospel Plus Nothing will Save you with no “ buts” attached , such as “Sure , Believing the Gospel Saves , BUT after you realize that Essential Truth, you have to repent of all your sins before you die or you will be damned”......or “the Gospel  surely saves and Paul warned us not to add to it but we must find a way to “ throw off the Old Man and make sure we Endure to the End.”Nope. Those lacking Faith to Trust the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 which offers Rest on the other side of that Trust will be charged by God with disobedience and in a state of UNBELIEF.If one seeks to NOT spend a lifetime “wandering in the  desert” of disobedience and Unbelief, they had best get with the New Plan and pass the New Test Of Faith— RESTING in the Gospel Of Grace.

btw.....as a kind reminder....you have yet to give an explanation for the iron- clad OSAS verses I gave you.....what’s up with that? Please respond or admit that you can’t.....thank you..

  

 

 

[Gideon]

26 minutes ago, Not me said:

I will take this as a yes.

If you would,  please write out what it means to be dead in Christ...

From a fellow believer who has died with Christ, blessings, Not me 

LOL, with the caveat I mentioned. 

As far as your term "dead in Christ", I only find it used in 1st Thessalonians, where it talks about the dead in  Christ rising first. I assume this is not what you are referring to. 

Would you be so kind as to review the verses in Matthew 24 I shared and explain how those who once had agape love could have possibly ended up with it waxing cold, and then Jesus saying "but tnoee who endure to the end will be saved." which clearly indicates that those who do not won't? Thanks. 

Gids. 

[Not me]

17 minutes ago, Gideon said:

LOL, with the caveat I mentioned. 

As far as your term "dead in Christ", I only find it used in 1st Thessalonians, where it talks about the dead in  Christ rising first. I assume this is not what you are referring to. 

Would you be so kind as to review the verses in Matthew 24 I shared and explain how those who once had agape love could have possibly ended up with it waxing cold, and then Jesus saying "but tnoee who endure to the end will be saved." which clearly indicates that those who do not won't? Thanks. 

Gids. 

So my understanding of this is your not willing or can’t write out your understanding of what it means to be dead in Christ.. Is this correct? 

If this is the case, if you wouldn’t mind me saying so, you have a blessing above blessings waiting for you when you can...

To the turning to Him be the all of our hearts..

A brother in the faith, Not me 
 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Not me

[Gideon]

3 minutes ago, Not me said:

So my understanding of this is your not willing or can’t write out your understanding of what it means to be dead in Christ.. Is this correct? 

If this is the case, if you wouldn’t mind me saying so, you have a blessing above blessings waiting for you when you can...

To the turning to Him be the all of our hearts..

A brother in the faith, Not me 
 

 

Brother, you make me feel like I am facing a crafty lawyer, lol, looking to entrap me with but one misstep. LOL. Why is that? 

Why don't you just share what you see it as? That way I will not have to use a lot of words. 

Oh, and don't forget my inquiry as to Matthew 24:12-13. ?