Showing the world the difference

[Coliseum]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

You Will b arrested here for spreading religion uninvited by muslims n dishonor religious tolerance, the muslims never preach on the streets n so the christians shud do the same, radical christians preaching on the streets were banished, they bring no goodness to public order n only create chaos, Peter did not preach to Cornelius without invitation,  we shud not disregard the word religious tolerance n avoid creating damage with lustful sermon only . Better do charity for the poor which  most churches here fail to do but build up their own Belly.

Who will you listen to? If I faced these same circumstances, I too would be very afraid; but if the Spirit is speaking to you, will you obey Him?

"But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in this name." Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard."   Acts 4:17-20 (NIV)

 

[Sower]

18 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

What kind of encouragement ?

Try what God suggest, and share this;

Philippians 4:8

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Coliseum said:

Who will you listen to? If I faced these same circumstances, I too would be very afraid; but if the Spirit is speaking to you, will you obey Him?

"But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in this name." Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard."   Acts 4:17-20 (NIV)

 

Jesus said HEAL people first, than you can start talking about the kingdom of God, and thats what exactly Peter and John did.

Luke 10:⁹ Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

We do not own a nation Coliseum, we should obey the ruler and their Law. Every citizen in this nation is guaranteed of freedom to choose their religion which means we should recognize other people's religion. If we cannot heal people like the early disciples what can you do to HEAL people then ? Its charity, health charity, food charity, educational charity, clothing charity etc. Can you imagine coming to a hungry people without proper clothing and what you give to them is the free sermon ? Are we that blind ?

Many groups of christians have been banished from city streets by people because they preach uninvited to people (like the JW) and only create anger and chaos, they were still lucky they were only warned and escaped unhurt. They bring lustful sermons only to the poor area, lack of food lack of health without any contribution. The muslims never did the same and we should reciprocate to keep social order.

Roman 13 13 All of you must obey those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. ² So whoever opposes the authorities opposes leaders whom God has appointed.

This is the largest muslim nation and people must obey religious tolerance, you want to be a martyr, go preach into a crowded mosque, you will die because of your own recklesness, not because of God, because Jesus told us to be wise :

Matt 10:16 Behold, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Instead of coming to people with TOA speakers and lustful sermons only.

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Logostician]

We all use our God given hearts, minds, and souls to determine the difference between right and wrong.  And we should all commit ourselves to what we think is right, with the guidance of the Spirit.

I see alot of things in this world that are wrong, but because I'm not of this world, and belong to Jesus, I know that I have everything that I need.  But it's about more than me.

Phi 4:11-13.  Not that I speak I respect of want, for I have learned in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.  I know both how to be abased, I know how to abound, everywhere and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and suffer need.  I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

I can handle anything this world throws at me, and it's throwing a lot of curve balls lately.  But that strength is not my own.  It comes from Jesus.  It will always be truthful, even when it's not convenient or crowd pleasing.  And it will directed toward helping others.  A lot of people need help right now with their fears, job loss, impending homelessness, etc.  God has put opportunities to glorify him before us.  We need to act with more than words.

Luk 10:2.  Therefore he said unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few, pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth laborers into his harvest.

We are God's laborers.  We have work to do.

 

[missmuffet]

21 hours ago, Debp said:

I posted this in another topic but thought I'd post this in it's own topic....

 

Have you ever considered that what is now happening might be a way of God having us shine as Christians?

I am at peace throughout this.   Whereas many are not.   So this is really an opportunity....will the world see us Christians being of good cheer or peace in the midst of tribulation?   Can we help our neighbors with encouragement from the Lord?   Perhaps this will be their opportunity to turn to Christ?  When they see His children at peace and trusting Him through the storm.

Instead of ranting about the lockdown and social distancing, let's concentrate on what matters.    Children of God trusting Him and getting through this, and helping others to know Him.

God has allowed this virus. Is He testing us to see how we will react? If we will have genuine trust and faith in Him during this world disaster?

[Debp]

3 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Instead of coming to people with TOA speakers and lustful sermons only.

What do you mean by TOA speakers and lustful sermons?

I do realize since you live in a Muslim country, you must use wisdom in reaching out to others.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Debp said:

What do you mean by TOA speakers and lustful sermons?

I do realize since you live in a Muslim country, you must use wisdom in reaching out to others.

TOA speakers that is usually carried by street preachers to bomb people with lustful sermons.

[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

God has allowed this virus. Is He testing us to see how we will react? If we will have genuine trust and faith in Him during this world disaster?

I read many horrible stories in this country of how easily people died of this Corona even in less than a week, how horrible the testimony of patients in hospital who watched patients screamed in despair and died around them,  n how a corpse ambulance driver cried horribly that he has to drive many corpse with covid 19 procedure to the cemetery every day, Holy God, how not worthy are people, how quickly death comes, a lesson we never think of, and this will look like a picnic in the Great Tribulation !

The government doesnt seem to accurately report the death numbers.

Edited April 16, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Coliseum]

9 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Jesus said HEAL people first, than you can start talking about the kingdom of God, and thats what exactly Peter and John did.

Luke 10:⁹ Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

We do not own a nation Coliseum, we should obey the ruler and their Law. Every citizen in this nation is guaranteed of freedom to choose their religion which means we should recognize other people's religion. If we cannot heal people like the early disciples what can you do to HEAL people then ? Its charity, health charity, food charity, educational charity, clothing charity etc. Can you imagine coming to a hungry people without proper clothing and what you give to them is the free sermon ? Are we that blind ?

Many groups of christians have been banished from city streets by people because they preach uninvited to people (like the JW) and only create anger and chaos, they were still lucky they were only warned and escaped unhurt. They bring lustful sermons only to the poor area, lack of food lack of health without any contribution. The muslims never did the same and we should reciprocate to keep social order.

Roman 13 13 All of you must obey those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. ² So whoever opposes the authorities opposes leaders whom God has appointed.

This is the largest muslim nation and people must obey religious tolerance, you want to be a martyr, go preach into a crowded mosque, you will die because of your own recklesness, not because of God, because Jesus told us to be wise :

Matt 10:16 Behold, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Instead of coming to people with TOA speakers and lustful sermons only.

 

Richard Wurmbrand was also known as Nicolai Ionescu was a Romanian evangelical Christian minister of Jewish descent...

He was tortured for his faith for fourteen years in many Communist prisons. He asks a question: "Can persecution make a stone of the heart"? 

We know that a diamond is nothing more than a lump of coal under great pressure. Richard tells the following story of a young and beautiful 18 year old girl---a Romanian Christian, who loved Jesus more than anything else.  She was to be married. The Communist Secret Police found out about the wedding and decided to arrest her on that day. During the festivities with many houseguests, the police broke her door down and placed steel cuffs on her delicate wrists and told her she was being arrested for her faith in Jesus Christ. And they led her out of the house. As she approached the doorway, she suddenly turned to face her guests and raised the steel cuffs above her head, and said, "I hope I am worthy enough to receive this beautiful wedding gift from my Lord," and they led her away to prison. There, she was given hard labor for five years. When she was released, she was all but the woman she was when she entered. She appeared 20 years older. Her face was all wrinkled, she was skin and bones, her teeth were broken. But through her mud-caked face shone the the most beautiful smile of Jesus anyone could have ever imagined. He asks the question again: "Can persecution make a stone of the heart"?  "Yes," he said. Sometimes a very precious stone!

You shared, "...we should obey the ruler and their Law." And God says, "“We must obey God rather than men."  We are commanded "“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." Mark 16:15    God did not give us a choice, nor necessarily give us a place of contentment. If the Holy Spirit calls a man to go, he goes. God bless you.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Coliseum

[R. Hartono]

10 hours ago, Coliseum said:

Richard Wurmbrand was also known as Nicolai Ionescu was a Romanian evangelical Christian minister of Jewish descent...

He was tortured for his faith for fourteen years in many Communist prisons. He asks a question: "Can persecution make a stone of the heart"? 

We know that a diamond is nothing more than a lump of coal under great pressure. Richard tells the following story of a young and beautiful 18 year old girl---a Romanian Christian, who loved Jesus more than anything else.  She was to be married. The Communist Secret Police found out about the wedding and decided to arrest her on that day. During the festivities with many houseguests, the police broke her door down and placed steel cuffs on her delicate wrists and told her she was being arrested for her faith in Jesus Christ. And they led her out of the house. As she approached the doorway, she suddenly turned to face her guests and raised the steel cuffs above her head, and said, "I hope I am worthy enough to receive this beautiful wedding gift from my Lord," and they led her away to prison. There, she was given hard labor for five years. When she was released, she was all but the woman she was when she entered. She appeared 20 years older. Her face was all wrinkled, she was skin and bones, her teeth were broken. But through her mud-caked face shone the the most beautiful smile of Jesus anyone could have ever imagined. He asks the question again: "Can persecution make a stone of the heart"?  "Yes," he said. Sometimes a very precious stone!

You shared, "...we should obey the ruler and their Law." And God says, "“We must obey God rather than men."  We are commanded "“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." Mark 16:15    God did not give us a choice, nor necessarily give us a place of contentment. If the Holy Spirit calls a man to go, he goes. God bless you.

 

 

Im not telling u to Deny Faith.

 

Jesus said heal people first than u can start speaking about the kingdom of God, doesnt it mean anything to you, you cannot use street preachers style in this nation. You will b arrested for preaching on the streets, such christian like street preachers only create damage to christianity with their lustful sermons n create riots. You shud do charity first instead of giving the poor ur lustful sermon.

You need to obey ruler as God said it by paying attention to religious tolerance n maintain social order, government allow us to build churches to avoid street preaching uninvited,

If u cannot heal people then first give health charity, food charity or clothing charity instead of coming with ur lustful sermon .

If u want to b a martyr go to the mosque n preach there, if u think u must b brave, u Will die because ur own recklesness not because of God.

Such radical evangelism Will only create turmoil in nations n nobody see any light in urself.

The abv are good examples of pastor n woman testimony, we shud not Deny Faith but we shud not roam the streets bringing lustful sermon only, Jesus said Heal people first, u come with lustful sermon only and toa speakers ? you Will b jailed because of ur own lust to convert people, government provided churches n tv n radio n internets n u r free to give charity that people may see kindness instead of lustful sermons.

Edited April 17, 2020 by R. Hartono