Learn a lesson from the Great Awakening ...

[Blood Bought 1953]

The Gospel has two parts......Jesus died for our sins and He rose  from the Grave.....That first part? The one that says “ Jesus died for our sins? The Legalists can recite that part all day and night- they have heard it so many times, they don’t even think about it when they recite it . The  repercussions of that Simple Declaration never dawn on them......The Sin Issue has been taken care of.....Those That are alway harping about Sin....Sin...Sin....show a serious Lack Of Faith .They don't really Believe that “ Jesus Paid It ALL.”  Every problem they create,every doubt they raise, every time they ADD to the Gospel  or Refuse  to Rest in the Gospel stems from this one simple fact.....When it comes to truly BELIEVING it—- They Don’t . Failure to REST in the Gospel and it alone, is considered UNBELIEF by God. Serious stuff.....Those That Supplant Grace with Repentance and put it on top of the Gospel Of Grace are going to be in for a very rough day in the future. You need to Repent about adding Repentance to the Gospel.Ironic , eh?

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Debp said:

All of our sins as born again Christians are covered by the blood of Jesus!

Do you realize that sometimes we committ sins that we are not even aware of??   There are sins of omission as well as sins of commission.   Thank the Lord that His atonement is sufficient for us all!    Elsewise that little sin that you were not aware of would condemn you according to your above quote.

No wonder some new Christians run around so unsure of their salvation through Christ.   They need teachers that lift up Christ, and help them to understand their great salvation in Christ!

May I ask if you have been reading this thread, or the many other times your opening sentence has been replied to?  If not, no worries as there have been many posts across many threads discussing this matter and it is almost impossible to keep up with it all.

The work on the cross was finished, completed, by Jesus.  His work is done.   Nothing can be added to or removed from this work by anyone.  We, when we came to Christ and accepted His salvation, had to believe Jesus is the Son of God, died for our sins and rose again, confess our sins and repent from our old lifestyle.  Repent has only two, not three tenses - past tense and present tense.  Repenting cannot be done for future sins as there is no future tense to the word.  Even though Jesus work is complete, ours is not.  We need to continue to remain in Him through love, which means we need to allow the Holy Spirit to work in our lives, bring us to become more like Jesus every day.  This is a long process, not one that is done in the blink of an eye.  During this process we will fail now and then in some way or another.  If one of these failures is a sin, we need to repent of that sin and continue on.  When we do sin the Holy Spirit is always there to convict us of the sin, otherwise, it is not a sin, so I don't really believe that we sometimes commit a sin without knowing it, unless one has hardened their heart to a point of not hearing the Holy Spirit any more.

Yes, one can disobey God by refusing to do what He tells you to do (omission) just as there are sins of commission (lying as one example).  Makes no difference as sin is sin.

Showing everyone and anyone, sinners or new and old believers alike, the fullness of scripture is only telling then the truth.  Skipping certain verses because one does not like what it says or that it goes  against the theology they teach is not doing anyone any good, but harming them.  Learning to question scripture is how they move on from being babies and become more mature.  During this learning process, they are forced to examine themselves to see if they are living the right life or staying in the world.  What you you rather have them do instead of study scripture and grow in Christ?

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Coliseum said:

What if you are in a coma and can't repent because of the car accident you just got involved in? What if you were on your way to return the money you stole from a man who died the week before? What if you can't recall the other 10,000 things you did, the animal you teased when you were five, or the lustful thought you had six years ago? Praise God that Jesus took those sins---past, present, and future---and drank the full cup of God's wrath for them so that we could spend our time loving others like He is constantly loving us. If we spent our time thinking about Jesus instead of thinking about our sins, we would be able to live for him instead of ourselves.

Man, after the first two examples, you began to really stretch it there Coliseum.

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment  Hebrews 9:27 

If someone dies in their sin, they will have to answer for it.  We are told we never know the hour of our death or His return, so we need to be ready at all times.  It is not God's fault a person ignored their sin and did not repent.

Yes, Jesus died for all of our sins, but we have to confess them for them to be forgiven.  If someone purposely refuse to repent, as in your examples, there is no covering for the unrepentant and they are in disobedience to God who tells everyone to repent of their sin(s).

Tell me, who else in scripture told someone that they would not die if they disobeyed God?

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Yes, Jesus died for all of our sins, but we have to confess them for them to be forgiven.  If someone purposely refuse to repent, as in your examples, there is no covering for the unrepentant and they are in disobedience to God who tells everyone to repent of their sin(s).

Repenting Of Sins is a good thing . It just does not save a person.Faith is what saves.If Repenting Of Sins was the way of Salvation, Judas would be rejoicing as we speak— I can assure you, he is not .Nowhere in the KJV will you see “ repent of your sins to be saved”—— you will see this as the way to be saved—“ Turn to God  with Faith in Jesus Christ”. If one has undergone a “ change of mind” , going from Unbelief in Jesus to a Belief in Jesus, that person has automatically undergone the “ Repentance” That God demands. Simply by Believing in Jesus one is Saved.That is why the  Apostle John did not use the word “Repent” ONE TIME in his Book, yet used the Word “ BELIEVE” dozens of times.He knew  repentance was built into Believing... “ BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be Saved”......

 

[OneLight]

5 hours ago, Behold said:

All sin is purged by the Blood of Jesus and the death of Jesus, or you are not born again.

You are teaching the gospel of repenting..>"keep repenting, keep staying saved......fail to repent, burn in the Lake of fire".

That is not the  Gospel.  That is Galatians 1:8.     You are rejecting  the FINISHED WORK of Jesus on the Cross.   You are replacing  the blood atonement with "repenting to stay saved".

You are teaching Legalism...... Legalism is.. "what YOU do, to keep yourself saved"....and that completely rejects the Cross.  

You are replacing the Blood Atonement with REPENTING.

 

Really, the gospel of repenting?  Are you now calling me a Mormon??   Is there no end to your slander?

Since you accuse me of such,  then you also have to accuse Jesus too as He tells sinners to repent also.  I am in very good company!

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.  -Jesus in John 15

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. - Jesus in Revelation 2:5

Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. - Jesus in Revelation 2:16

Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.  I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. - Jesus in Revelation 2:22,23

And to the [a]angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.  Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.  You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. - Jesus in Revelation 3:1-5

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.  So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say,  ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—  I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.  - Jesus in Revelation 3:16-20

Jesus is talking to and about born again believers who have fallen from Grace.  I could add more but if you don't believe Jesus, you will never believe anyone else I could quote.

[Blood Bought 1953]

30 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Tell me, who else in scripture told someone that they would not die if they disobeyed God?

This side of the Cross , in The Age Of Grace, the Obedience that Saves is the Obedience to Paul’s Gospel,One Obeys the Gospel by RESTING in it.....God not only says that if you do not Rest in the Gospel you are “ Disobedient” , He goes on to say that you are also guilty of UNBELIEF. I would suggest people who care about Obedience—- get your priorities straight . Obey by Resting......or all the other obedience you practiced may turn out to be a waste of time— UNBELIEF really angers God!  

[Coliseum]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Man, after the first two examples, you began to really stretch it there Coliseum.

If someone dies in their sin, they will have to answer for it. 

Yet you choose not to comment on my examples---even those that are not "stretching" it. So you are suggesting that if I die for even one sin not repented for, I'm over? You do not see how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Jesus is not about the letter of the law. Behold is right; you are preaching legalism and you are doing a real disservice to those unsure, or who are new. I will not argue with you. If that is what you believe, you go right on believing it. btw, you can copy/paste all the Scripture you want and think others are impressed by it, but it is merely a mask for what you appear to lack wisdom in. Go learn what Rev 3:19 really means! He is not speaking about one's sins. He is talking about those refusing to turn to Christ. Lukewarmness was a state of the church. Their  relationship was not right with God. It was not about people repenting of their individual sins. There will be people on Death Row entering heaven just as the thief on the Cross who, after they were saved, had no more opportunity to repent of any future sins, nor could they leave the cross or get out of prison to repent of their past sins. I won't add anything more; I have made my point.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Coliseum

[Blood Bought 1953]

13 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Really, the gospel of repenting?  Are you now calling me a Mormon??   Is there no end to your slander?

Since you accuse me of such,  then you also have to accuse Jesus too as He tells sinners to repent also.  I am in very good company!

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.  -Jesus in John 15

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. - Jesus in Revelation 2:5

Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. - Jesus in Revelation 2:16

Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.  I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. - Jesus in Revelation 2:22,23

And to the [a]angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.  Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.  You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. - Jesus in Revelation 3:1-5

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.  So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say,  ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—  I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.  - Jesus in Revelation 3:16-20

Jesus is talking to and about born again believers who have fallen from Grace.  I could add more but if you don't believe Jesus, you will never believe anyone else I could quote.

 

Lots  of good references in that post about “ Repentance.” Seems like Jesus was all for it.....we also know that John the Baptizer was real big on it. Paul? The man Jesus said to follow? The man that  Peter endorsed? Not so much.... its never mentioned in his epistles. Doesn’t that strike you as strange? That is because NoBODY in the Bible says “ Repent Of Sins in order to be Saved” We are to Repent, no doubt about it . Do you want to see  what the Repentance that God desires looks like? Jesus told us about a certain wicked Tax- Collector, whose Conviction Of Sin was so intense, he would not even look up from the ground to pray to God— All he could do  is cry out to God .... “  Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.” That is a prayer that God will hear.A prayer from a “ Contrite” or shall we say , a “Repentant” Heart. Only those with Repentant Hearts are ready to hear and Believe The Gospel That when simply Believed will save them.    

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Man, after the first two examples, you began to really stretch it there Coliseum.

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment  Hebrews 9:27 

If someone dies in their sin, they will have to answer for it.  We are told we never know the hour of our death or His return, so we need to be ready at all times.  It is not God's fault a person ignored their sin and did not repent.

Yes, Jesus died for all of our sins, but we have to confess them for them to be forgiven.  If someone purposely refuse to repent, as in your examples, there is no covering for the unrepentant and they are in disobedience to God who tells everyone to repent of their sin(s).

Tell me, who else in scripture told someone that they would not die if they disobeyed God?

 

My quote above is complete, not like the one you just replied to.  So, from the above real quote, you really don't see any commit to your examples?  Really?

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Man, after the first two examples, you began to really stretch it there Coliseum.

If someone dies in their sin, they will have to answer for it. 

5 minutes ago, Coliseum said:

Yet you choose not to comment on my examples---even those that are not "stretching" it. So you are suggesting that if I die for even one sin not repented for, I'm over? You do not see how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Jesus is not about the letter of the law. Behold is right; you are preaching legalism and you are doing a real disservice to those unsure, or who are new. I will not argue with you. If that is what you believe, you go right on believing it. btw, you can copy/paste all the Scripture you want and think others are impressed by it, but it is merely a mask for what you appear to lack wisdom in. Go learn what Rev 3:19 really means! He is not speaking about one's sins. He is talking about those refusing to turn to Christ. Lukewarmness was a state of the church. Their  relationship was not right with God. It was not about people repenting of their individual sins. There will be people on Death Row entering heaven just as the thief on the Cross---neither of whom had any opportunity to repent of their sins. You are very much in error of the Scriptures. I won't add anything more; I have made my point.

What I said, and I quoted scripture to prove it, is:

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment  Hebrews 9:27 

We will all be judged according to what is written.  If sins is removed because of repentance, you will not be held accountable as it no longer exists.  Verdict - Innocent!  If you have known sins not repented of, you will have to give an answer for them as we will be judged.  I'll leave the verdict up to Him.

I preach what scripture says.  I'll provide you the very same thing I provided Behold.  Now, I ask you, is Jesus legalistic when He tells the body in the Seven Churches of Revelation that if they don't repent they will have to face the consequences?  Here are the words of Jesus - you decide.

33 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Really, the gospel of repenting?  Are you now calling me a Mormon??   Is there no end to your slander?

Since you accuse me of such,  then you also have to accuse Jesus too as He tells sinners to repent also.  I am in very good company!

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.  -Jesus in John 15

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. - Jesus in Revelation 2:5

Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. - Jesus in Revelation 2:16

Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.  I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. - Jesus in Revelation 2:22,23

And to the [a]angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.  Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.  You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. - Jesus in Revelation 3:1-5

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.  So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say,  ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—  I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.  - Jesus in Revelation 3:16-20

Jesus is talking to and about born again believers who have fallen from Grace.  I could add more but if you don't believe Jesus, you will never believe anyone else I could quote.

[Blood Bought 1953]

28 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Yes, Jesus died for all of our sins, but we have to confess them for them to be forgiven. 

This would be the latest version of “ Jesus Saves....B U T”........RUN, don't walk , when you see a False, Accursed , so- called Gospel Of this sort.Did 1cor15:1-4 say ANYTHING about having to confess your sins to be forgiven?No. Believing these false additions to the gospel will have you “ Fall From Grace”....... Teachers of False Gospels are “Accursed”— damned by God. God will not have His gospel trifled with.....Jesus Saves.Period.