Is Africa Cursed

BibleStudent100 · May 26, 2020

34 minutes ago, Henry_iain said:

The need for better leadership. We have too many corrupt leaders who are only interested in enriching themselves. We need leaders who are willing to be a bit unpopular and also be willing to act upon their promises. Ramaphosa is such a leader and maybe the the leader of Rwanda. This means Africans themselves will need to be willing to do what is needed rather than what is easy

Studying the diverse African cultures with their unique world views and languages takes a lifetime at least, but in general, many Africans self-identify more with their tribe than with their sovereign nation. In other words, citizens of South Africa are more Zulu or Xhosa than South African. To a degree, this is understandable as the national government was imposed by European colonialism and its subsequent governmental and societal structures was top-down and did not require nor want any involvement from the people. In short, many Africans and Middle Easterners connect much more with their tribe (tribalism) than with their country, which frequently creates much strife and conflict.

In the US, we don't see as much tribalism, since people who live in Arizona identify more as Americans than Arizonans and people who live South Dakota identify more as Americans than as South Dakotans, HOWEVER, we are beginning to see American "tribalism" crop up as people begin to create affiliations with their politics, socio-economic statuses, religions, distrust of elected leaders and now even disbelief in what medical experts say, that the US could be walking down a pathway similar to what Africa has been experiencing for decades.

warrior12 · May 26, 2020

28 minutes ago, Henry_iain said:

Africa's colonial past. Colonisation, whatever benefits it might have brought, did more harm than good. Instead of working with the people, they oppressed and enslaved people. So many people in Africa resent the west and blame them for everything that goes wrong. People need to be freed from a colonial mindset , at least that is what I have found inn South Africa

The above is the root of many of the continent current problems. The Europeans and the western nations took and took and never built up any meaningful infrastructure and built up any social structure for the main thing that emancipates a people i.e education. They took the abundant natural resources and transported them to enrich their societies. They also took the human resources too for their labor . They propped up puppet governments and to this day that mindset is practiced.

Spiritually, Africa has and still is steeped into the ancestral spirit worship and the sort, which is forbidden in the bible and that may be a huge hindrance to their struggles. But they are some signs of improvement in some states . China has come in and trade deals are being made and infrastructure is starting to improve. Again, the capitalist of the world are looking to come to make their fortunes there. Their leaders have to work together to rise up and not sell out their blessed natural resources, but trade wisely.

In the Congo that is blessed with immense copper ect, there are foreign companies that are till this day draining the wealth of this blessed country and it is all because of 99 year lease made by puppet governments .

Rise up Africa and shine.

Henry_iain · May 26, 2020

20 minutes ago, plavious said:

@Henry_iain, I agree with most of your points but for colonization. Am Cameroonian and we celebrated 60years of independence. Does it mean that for 60 years after independence we cannot still think of something good for ourselves.

How will a single person embezzlement 300billion from a government whose budget is not up to that amount. It's not the colonial master embezzling. I have know of one president since I was born and as of now, I don't know if he is death or alive.

The church is a slippery ground in Africa. Church is a business and it takes the grace of God to be able to locate a christ believing church. How can the same building host 3 churches. How will a pastor preach against a fellow pastor in church?

We need to wake up, stop the blame game and if every individual takes action toward our dear continent, things will change.

Yes I agree that is why I said Africa is a big place We have different histories. Too often are all African countries lumped together when there are, in fact, vast differences between, say Zimbabwe (Independent for less than a 100 years) and Nigeria or Egypt. I agree with you in part but I think that many Africans learned how to rule from their colonial leaders. So they are simply doing the same thing. Not that this is an excuse, I am just saying it is a factor, not a main cause.

But I do agree that we need to take responsibility for our own land. When I say the church I am speaking specificaly about true believers. who are actually following God. There are many charlatans too. But there are good churches too. We need the real church to be in unity

Henry_iain · May 26, 2020

22 minutes ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Studying the diverse African cultures with their unique world views and languages takes a lifetime at least, but in general, many Africans self-identify more with their tribe than with their sovereign nation. In other words, citizens of South Africa are more Zulu or Xhosa than South African. To a degree, this is understandable as the national government was imposed by European colonialism and its subsequent governmental and societal structures was top-down and did not require nor want any involvement from the people. In short, many Africans and Middle Easterners connect much more with their tribe (tribalism) than with their country, which frequently creates much strife and conflict.

In the US, we don't see as much tribalism, since people who live in Arizona identify more as Americans than Arizonans and people who live South Dakota identify more as Americans than as South Dakotans, HOWEVER, we are beginning to see American "tribalism" crop up as people begin to create affiliations with their politics, socio-economic statuses, religions, distrust of elected leaders and now even disbelief in what medical experts say, that the US could be walking down a pathway similar to what Africa has been experiencing for decades.

Yes. I completely agree. I have often said that the key to reaching Africa for the gospel is in getting the tribal leaders saved. In South Africa all the politics that takes place, is always about this. And the Afrikaners, the English speaking population, the people we call the coloured people, the Indians and the Bushman are all groups that ultimately operate in a similar way.

Henry_iain · May 26, 2020

21 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

The above is the root of many of the continent current problems. The Europeans and the western nations took and took and never built up any meaningful infrastructure and built up any social structure for the main thing that emancipates a people i.e education. They took the abundant natural resources and transported them to enrich their societies. They also took the human resources too for their labor . They propped up puppet governments and to this day that mindset is practiced.

100% right. Let me add to what you are saying with the following example. South Africa used to have abundant gold and diamonds as well as many other minerals. Diamonds are not very useful, but through clever marketing, was made into a lucrative industry. And today the royal family sit with jewels that cost a fortune coming from diamonds that were stolen from South Africa.

And here I sit and I am descended from settlers from Scotland, Ireland, Netherlands and France. I probably also have some real African blood somewhere.

But I always feel sad that I came from such a privileged background, when the very land I sit on was taken, forcibly from people who are now sitting in poverty. I do not think that makes me guilty But I would nevertheless like to be part of fixing what my ancestors have broken. I agree with the South African government (especially since we only truly escaped colonialism 26 years ago.) that there needs to be some sort of redistribution of land or some way of evening things out just a bit. Because, especially in South Africa the inequality is quite noticeable. I am a capitalist, but in Africa it might be necessary to allow for some balance towards socialism in order to close the gap.

creativemechanic · May 26, 2020

No it's that Europe carved up ,pillaged and depopulated Africa to make itself rich. The social and economic results of centuries of colonialism are still being felt today

BeauJangles · May 26, 2020

Is Africa Cursed

2 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

No it's that Europe carved up ,pillaged and depopulated Africa to make itself rich. The social and economic results of centuries of colonialism are still being felt today

That's a very insightful thought compared to those tasteless illustrations you post. Nicely stated.

vic66 · May 26, 2020

10 hours ago, plavious said:

Despite the abundance that God has given us, we still live in mystery. We lack even the basic(water), not to mention food, clothes and shelter.

Jesus is the answer to all the world today and above him there is no other Jesus is the way.

what ever our pass good bad or ugly when you are born again old things are passed away and behold all things become new. You are kings and priest a royal priesthood,adapted into the family of God this makes you highly favoured.

Who the Son set free is free indeed you are not cursed but blessed in christ.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us : for it is written cursed is he that hangeth on a tree.

That the blessing of Abraham might comes on the gentiles (Africans, russians, chinese, Americans, British, french etc)through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith. (Christ in you the, hope of glory ,

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ. And if ye be christ's then, are ye Abraham seed, and heir according to the promise .Galatians

God so loved the WORLD(this means all nations) that he gave his only begotten Son that who so ever believes in him should not perish but have ever lasting life.John3:16

And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world (Christ and the gospel)and men love darkness rather than light, because their deed were evil. (This applies to the people who are unsaved in africa just as much as any where else in the world)john3:18

vic66 · May 26, 2020

11 hours ago, plavious said:

Despite the abundance that God has given us, we still live in mystery. We lack even the basic(water), not to mention food, clothes and shelter.