Is Satan a defeated foe?

[BeauJangles]

On 6/27/2020 at 6:20 AM, David1701 said:

Most of Satan's existence has been a catalogue of defeats.

1) He defeated himself, when he became lifted up with pride.

2) He and his army were defeated by the holy angels and thrown out of heaven.

3) He, in the form of a serpent, was punished for tempting Adam and Eve.

4) He accosted Job repeatedly ... and brought about God's purposes in so doing.

5) He tempted Jesus in the wilderness and failed to get him to sin.

6) He wanted to sift Peter like wheat, but Jesus prayed for Peter, so that his faith did not fail.

7) He was defeated on the cross, as demonstrated by Jesus' resurrection.

8) He is continually defeated in the lives of true Christians, because the Lord always leads us in triumphal procession, in Christ.

9) He is continually defeated by the word of our testimony.

10) His fiery darts are quenched by the shield of faith.

11) He will be defeated finally, when he is thrown into hell, where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

This list is not exhaustive.

Having said all that, we should not be blase, because a defeated foe can still inflict wounds, albeit not spiritually fatal ones, on genuine Christians.

Great post, Dave. Well formatted sequentially and all that other good stuff. Simple and to the point without muddying the waters by getting all heady about the topic. I liked it very much. Even a novice should clearly understand.  

[BeauJangles]

On 6/27/2020 at 9:32 AM, Justin Adams said:

Demons are NOT the fallen heavenly beings or the already judged 'sons of God'.

Demons are the disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim. They are small fry and allowed to harass us.

The 'principalities and powers' are many times more lethal and run the territorial wickedness in high places. Originally put in charge over the nations, Deut 32, yet they failed and entrapped humans and were judged in Psalm 82 to 'all die like men'.

It is very sad that today, no one seems to teach about the supernatural. In Yeshua's day all this was well known and the apostles refer to it frequently in their writings.

This is a great post also, Justin. There's a lot of theological studies on who and what demonic entities are, including dispensationalism, etc. This is good relative stuff here. Nice! 

[RustyAngeL]

Yes he is a defeated foe and he knows it.

[Justin Adams]

8 hours ago, Josheb said:

Not just unbelief but a wack approach to the Bible. Who thinks the Bible is a science book?

Oh dear. Some read so little. The scriptures are NOT a scientific treatise. Never were meant to be. However, because I post, it seems I have a negative following of at least two detractors. It is so obvious.

Many items are refreshed and rehashed. They are often of very old manuscripts. Their beliefs were pre scientific. This does not mean we should trash them entirely as the nouveau intelligentsia would have us do. 

If the ancients believed that Levi's tithes were in the Loins of Abraham - let them.

If they wanted to believe that women's head covering prevented fecundity - aka Hypocrates. Let them.

If they thought men planted seeds in women to grow into children - let them.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Justin Adams]

10 hours ago, David1701 said:

I just read part of the linked article.  The following quote told me all I need to know, "...even a light reading of the OT will supply the reader with any number of historical and scientific falsehoods.".  The author of the article clearly does not have a clue; but does have unbelief.

Poor attitude. That throws out most of our preachers and theologians.

If the ancients believed that Levi's tithes were in the Loins of Abraham - let them.

If they wanted to believe that women's head covering prevented fecundity - aka Hypocrates. Let them.

If they thought men planted seeds in women to grow into children - let them.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Justin Adams

[David1701]

4 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Poor attitude. That throws out most of our preachers and theologians.

If the ancients believed that Levi's tithes were in the Loins of Abraham - let them.

If they wanted to believe that women's head covering prevented fecundity - aka Hypocrates. Let them.

If they thought men planted seeds in women to grow into children - let them.

The Bible is God-breathed.  If you don't believe that, then you have no objective standard.

Who cares what Hypocrates believed?

Edited June 29, 2020 by David1701

[Justin Adams]

11 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Who cares what Hypocrates believed?

... because of the angels...  seems the apostles did. They were members of their culture which was heavily influenced by Greek educational levels and Philosophy.

Not surprising their world view is different to ours. Is it?

[David1701]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

... because of the angels...  seems the apostles did. They were members of their culture which was heavily influenced by Greek educational levels and Philosophy.

Not surprising their world view is different to ours. Is it?

The Bible is inspired by God and is therefore correct in all matters of morals, doctrine and historical fact.  Why do you keep leaving God out of the picture?

Hypocrates was not one of those who penned the Bible, so his opinions are of no value.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

The Bible is inspired by God and is therefore correct in all matters of morals, doctrine and historical fact.  Why do you keep leaving God out of the picture?

Hypocrates was not one of those who penned the Bible, so his opinions are of no value.

So read you bible to see my points. Greek ideas permeated much of the apostles' worldview. It was THEIR world. Mesopotamian ideas permeate the Tanakh as well.

Yahweh does not change, yet the humans He inspired di have their own personal worldview. You can even detect this in the many and obvious times additions were made, changed or added to in the original manuscripts.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

The Bible is God-breathed.  If you don't believe that, then you have no objective standard.

Who cares what Hypocrates believed?

Inspired by God and containing allusions to the individual's human worldview. God did not ZAP folk into unconscious automatic handwriting automatoms. He inspired them over many centuries. He used them as He saw fit and whichever way He determined. He LIKES to use humans this way. It is His desire to use us, and He does. He uses us IN SPITE of ourselves and not BECAUSE of ourselves and our brilliance and understanding.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Justin Adams