God's Love

[Sower]

4 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

So does my 1967 Scofield Study Reference Bible. I can't be blamed if people don't know how to understand and interpret properly. We have some individuals who think God hates them? Well, no He does not HATE them. You don't honestly think the Lord God hated Esau do you? I didn't think so. Okay then, discussion over. God bless! 

Thank you BeauJangles for your reply.

You said;     "You don't honestly think the Lord God hated Esau do you? I didn't think so".
                            Okay then, discussion over.

Actually, I believe what the word of God says, as I quoted. It is your right to believe whatsoever you will.
I do not pretend to know the mind of God, nor why scripture says God hated Esau. Thought it meant what it says....
But I do not change the meaning to suit my feelings, or requirements.
There is much written about this verse. I choose to not change the meaning as written.
I found 30 bible versions of this verse, twenty eight used the word   'hated'.
If someone believes that God hates them, we don't change the meaning of the word to help them.
We would try to understand why they think that, and give them scripture to correctly help them better understand.
God's ways are not man's ways.
God is light. He doesn't make mistakes. I am here to learn. Correct me if I have misunderstood. Please...
I posted this for the same reason you did. To help others to believe the word, and accept truth.

 

Proverbs 9:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

 

[BeauJangles]

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

Thank you BeauJangles for your reply.

You're most welcome. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

You said;     "You don't honestly think the Lord God hated Esau".

I did indeed. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

Okay then, discussion over.

I was hoping for that. Further quoting me means the topic is still on the table for discussion. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

Actually, I believe what the word of God says,

Yes, I do also. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

But I do not change the meaning to suit my feelings, or requirements.

We do need to study doctrine to accurately interpret, however. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

God's ways are not man's ways.

Amen. I absolutely agree on that. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

I posted this for the same reason you did. To help others to believe the word, and accept truth.

Okay, sounds good. 

16 minutes ago, Sower said:

Okay then, discussion over.

And I'll just leave it with this.

[Don19]

On 5/31/2020 at 7:38 AM, Daily verse and quote said:

“But the LORD continually shows loyal love to his faithful followers,

and is faithful to their descendants,

to those who keep his covenant,

who are careful to obey his commands.”

Psalm 103:17-18

 

God always promises a soft landing;

but He never promised a smooth flight.

[Bill Bright]

It is Christ Who perfectly obeyed the commands and the Old Covenant and died in obedience to the Father's will, that by His righteousness we may be accounted righteous. There may certainly be a carnal tendency to interpret the above-quoted passage legalistically in terms of our own obedience. However, we should understand that Christ has secured these blessings for all those who are in Him.

[steve morrow]

BUT    --GOD--   HAS  MORE   TO  SAY  AND  TEACH   ---   LET  US  HEARKEN  UNTO  HIM  AND  NOT  MAN

 

OBADIAH 1:8  shall I not in that day saith  THE  LORD  even destroy the wise men out of edom and understanding out of the mount of esau 

--1:9-- and thy mighty men o teman shall be dismayed to the end that every one of the mount of esau may be cut off by slaughter 

--1:18-- and the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of joseph a flame ---and the house of esau for stubble--- and they shall kindle in them and devour and there shall not be any remaining of the house of esau ---FOR  THE  LORD  HATH  SPOKEN  IT---

 

MALACHI 1:1  the burden of the word of  THE  LORD  to israel by malachi 

--1:2-- I have loved you saith  THE  LORD  yet you say wherein hast thou loved us --was not esau Jacobs brother-- saith  THE  LORD  yet I loved jacob

--1:3-- AND  I  HATED  ESAU  AND  LAID  HIS  MOUNTAINS  AND  HIS  HERITAGE  WASTE  FOR  THE  DRAGONS  OF  THE  WILDERNESS

 

PROVERBS 30:5  every word of  GOD  is pure he is a shield ---UNTO  THEM  THAT  PUT  THEIR  TRUST  IN  HIM---

--30:6--  ADD THOU  NOT  UNTO  HIS  WORDS  LEST  HE  REPROVE  THEE  AND  THOU  BE  FOUND  A  LIAR 

 

PROVERBS  6:16  THESE  SIX  THINGS  ---DOTH  THE  LORD  HATE---yea seven are an abomination unto him

--6:17-- a proud look a lying tongue and hands that shed innocent blood  --6:18-- an heart that deviseth --WICKED  IMAGINATIONS--feet that be swift in running to mischief --6:19-- A  FALSE  WITNESS  THAT  SPEAKETH  LIES -- AND  HE  THAT  SOWETH  DISCORD  AMONG  BRETHREN --

 

GODS  LOVE  IS  CONDITIONAL

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

[Don19]

12 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

GODS  LOVE  IS  CONDITIONAL

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

God's love or blessings were conditional in the Old Covenant. But Christ fulfilled all those conditions on behalf of His elect, and suffered the punishment for their sins. Therefore, God's love is unconditional in the New Covenant for those who are in Christ.

[leah777]

2 hours ago, Sower said:

Thank you BeauJangles for your reply.

You said;     "You don't honestly think the Lord God hated Esau do you? I didn't think so".
                            Okay then, discussion over.

Actually, I believe what the word of God says, as I quoted. It is your right to believe whatsoever you will.
I do not pretend to know the mind of God, nor why scripture says God hated Esau. Thought it meant what it says....
But I do not change the meaning to suit my feelings, or requirements.
There is much written about this verse. I choose to not change the meaning as written.
I found 30 bible versions of this verse, twenty eight used the word   'hated'.
If someone believes that God hates them, we don't change the meaning of the word to help them.
We would try to understand why they think that, and give them scripture to correctly help them better understand.
God's ways are not man's ways.
God is light. He doesn't make mistakes. I am here to learn. Correct me if I have misunderstood. Please...
I posted this for the same reason you did. To help others to believe the word, and accept truth.

 

Proverbs 9:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

 

Jacob and Esau are being used figuratively in Malachi to represent two groups of peoples. Look at the context of the whole passage. 

Romans 9 is using that passage in Malachi to underline the types of people God finds acceptable, now that Christ's death brought gentiles into the equation.

Neither passage is speaking of the humans called Jacob and Esau. Otherwise John 3 v 16 would contain exceptions. 

Reading whole chapters around a passage of scripture is helpful.

[TheBlade]

Thought I would hit on "hated". I like this which God could have also said  “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.”. For some reason we tend to read Gods word with human emotions and then take God and apply it to Him. So take human emotions based in sin.. toss them out. And the fact that GOD is not a man. On and on. God choose one over the other. Thats it. And if you read you find God did infact also bless Esau. So.. if God truly hated him.. he had a awful way of showing it

Love. Ever just think and then listen to others talk about Gods love? How we all see something so differently. And its God.. so its never ending. What do you get or picture when you think of Christ? For me.. compassion. Its like it just explodes from Him.. oh I want that.. to be like that.. to have that compassion. Love.. I truly believe we can't. I believe its HIM.. we know how to be good.. but love.. its Him. HAHA.. yeah.. WHATS not from God? ALL good things.. each day.. each breath.. hello.. does GOD love us the world the sinner? So much to keep the sun shining.. the seasons going. Adam and Eve loved God so much they disobeyed Him.

You can take this with a grain of salt. I've shared it before. Where this preacher had so many letters..way to many to read. I don't remember how why Christ as there. But the man says.. he wanted to lay hands on them and pray. He said.. Christ bent down pick up a letter and read it. And then began to do that with every one. One of the best ..I don't know what to call it .. but short is.. I saw people. No saved no lost just people and Jesus was crying so very hard. For not one knew how much He loved them. Here we are in a Christian site.. there are those around us that forgive me have no clue how much how special how loved you are.

[Michael37]

On 5/31/2020 at 11:38 PM, Daily verse and quote said:

“But the LORD continually shows loyal love to his faithful followers,

and is faithful to their descendants,

to those who keep his covenant,

who are careful to obey his commands.”

Psalm 103:17-18

 

God always promises a soft landing;

but He never promised a smooth flight.

[Bill Bright]

My post from another forum regarding awareness of God's Love for us: 

Why Do We Love God and His Son Jesus Christ?

So many people live their lives not aware of the amazing love God has for everyone.

In my case I remember from early childhood being told that God loved me and everyone else. I have heard or seen the phrase "Jesus Loves You" millions of times, but it is patently obvious to me now that Satan works hard to blind people to the reality of God's love.

Someone might hear or see the phrase "Jesus Loves You", and think "So What?"

Well, I don't like to think God forces us to love Him against our will. That wouldn't be genuine love, but when we become aware of God's love for us, are shown His love by various means, and experience His love in a tangible, meaningful way, I believe this makes us willing to love Him with no coercion.

1Jn 4:7-21 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. (8) He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. (9) In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. (10) Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (11) Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. (12) No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us. (13) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. (14) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwells in him, and he in God. (16) And we have known and believed the love that God has to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. (17) Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. (18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect in love. (19) We love him, because he first loved us. (20) If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? (21) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loves God love his brother also.

[steve morrow]

THANK  YOU  MY  LORD  KING  FOR  YOUR  WORDS

 

PSALM 56:11  in  GOD  have I put my trust I will not be afraid what can do unto me 

 

HEBREWS 2:1  THEREFORE  WE  OUGHT  TO  GIVE  the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard lest at any time we let them slip 

 

AGAIN --- HEBREWS 12:14  follow peace with all men and holiness --WITHOUT  WHICH  NO  MAN  SHALL  SEE  THE  LORD   --12:15-- looking diligently lest any man ---FAIL  THE  GRACE  OF  GOD--- lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you and --THEREBY  MANY  BE  DEFILED--  

--12:16--  LEST  THERE  BE ANY  FORNICATOR  OR  PROFANE  PERSON  AS  --ESAU--  who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright  --12:17-- for you know how that afterward when he would have inherited the blessing --HE  WAS  REJECTED-- for he found no place of repentance though he sought it carefully with tears 

 

GENESIS 36:8  thus dwelt esau in mount seir --- ESAU  IS  EDOM

 

MALACHI 1:4  whereas edom saith we are impoverished but we will return and build the desolate places ---THUS  SAITH  THE  LORD  OF  HOSTS--- they shall build but I will throw down and they shall call them --THE  BORDER  OF  WICKEDNESS  AND  THE  PEOPLE  AGAINST  WHOM  --THE  LORD-- HATH  INDIGNATION  FOREVER 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST