divorce and remarriage cancer worse than corona

[vic66]

6 minutes ago, Gideon said:

Let me ask you Vic. The sins in your life over the years where you have hurt people or perhaps fudged on your taxes a bit, lied, or stolen...... have you gone back and made amends with every single on of them?  Have you written to the iRS about your 1986 tax return where you deducted some things you knew were not valid deductions.

You cannot pick and choose which sins you correct and which sins you do not.  If you have been unfaithful in little things, how will God give you big things? You have an obvious bone to pick with marriage and divorce. I fully agree it should not happen and frankly, I believe we should be on our knees seeking God for the real answer as to why it is happening. 

But repentance washes all that away. True repentance will leave us thinking differently in the future about our past sins. That is what God wants. 

blessings, 

Gids

if you continue to sleep with and live with another woman while your first wife is still alive you are in a continuous state of adultery and rebellion against Christ and his word

[Gideon]

1 minute ago, vic66 said:

if you continue to sleep with and live with another woman while your first wife is still alive you are in a continuous state of adultery and rebellion against Christ and his word

You did not answer my question. If you stole from the IRS in 1986 and never made it right, are you not then still a thief? According to you, you are. 

[vic66]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,   (Read More...)

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.   (Read More...)

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

[vic66]

2 minutes ago, Gideon said:

You did not answer my question. If you stole from the IRS in 1986 and never made it right, are you not then still a thief? According to you, you are. 

not if you don't continuously do it 

[Justin Adams]

9 minutes ago, vic66 said:

if you continue to sleep with and live with another woman while your first wife is still alive you are in a continuous state of adultery and rebellion against Christ and his word

I will chime in here for one simple statement. Redemption! Yeshua paid the bills. We are off the hook. The past has gone and it is forgotten. So it is with your subject. To rake it all up and make folk feel guilty is NOT the way of the Lord who forgives AND forgets. We all make errors. They should not be a millstone around our necks for the rest of our lives. But the adversaries, and haters of our souls, all want us in perpetual torment over stuff God has forgotten. So give it a rest please! Move on!

Edited July 9, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Marathoner]

What is love if not mercy? No man is righteous --- not one --- for each of us falls short of God's glory.  Were it not for the Lord's unfathomable love toward us, expressed in His merciful grace, He would neither dwell with us nor gather us into Himself. Our Father's mercy is not absent from the Law... on the contrary. 

"But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth." (Psalm 86:85)

"Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; mercy and truth go before Your face." (Psalm 89:14)

"The Lord is gracious and merciful;
Slow to anger and great in lovingkindness.
The Lord is good to all,
And His mercies are over all His works."
(Psalm 145:8-9)

"Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity
And passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession?
He does not retain His anger forever,
Because He delights in unchanging love."
(Micah 7:18)

The Lord had mercy upon David when he arranged for Uriah to be slain in battle so that he might sleep with Bathsheba. David repented of his sin but did the Lord require David to relinquish Bathsheba as his wife? Not at all. Bathsheba bore David the son of promise --- Solomon --- whom would be anointed king after him. Mercy, not wrath.

Why did Jonah flee from the Lord? Jonah despised Nineveh and knowing God was swift to forgive trespass, the prophet knew that Nineveh would repent upon receipt of God's words for them and therefore calamity would not befall them. Mercy, not wrath. 

Both BeauJangles and Gideon write truly: they are stirred by mercy, not wrath.  Would the Lord require a man (or woman) to abandon a family because either one married a second time?  Mercy is the fruit of love... and love covers all things. Those who judge without mercy shall be judged by the same measure.
 

[Gideon]

5 minutes ago, vic66 said:

not if you don't continuously do it 

How convenient! LOL. 

In 1Corinthians 7:27, 28 it says, "Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But even if you do marry, you have not sinned."

Do you not see what Paul is telling the christians at Corinth? The last sentence is clearly referring to the two immediately preceding it. 

Look,  I certainly stand with you about divorce. God hates divorce. HATES it.  But you do not rectify anything by your proposed solution. You cause more irreparable harm, most likely turning multitudes of children against ever seeking God at all. 

 

  Just out of curiosity, why  this particular sin? Are there things in your life you know are sins and yet continuing to do? If so, why do you expect forgiveness? I pray you remember. In the same measure you mete, it will be measured our to you. 

If your motive in these posts is love and concern for those affected by divorce, your empathy should be palpable in how you share your concerns. . Tears should accompany your pleas for those in error to turn from sin.

But the truth is, at least in how I see you sharing,  there is a clinical hardness, a black and white legalistic letter-of-the-law spirit that comes through what you post. I am not trying to be harsh to you, but when the cure causes as much or more pain than the original sin, you need to truly get with God and let Him change you so that your motives for your posts are FOR the readers instead of just wanting to be right. 

blessings to you, Vic. 

Gideon

 

 

 

[Exegesis]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

Ok, I agree with Beaujangles. You are deep into legalistic territory..... like Pharisee deep. 

What is done is done. You cannot undo it. Do you realize how many have married a second time, had children, raised a family. And you seriously are proposing the man ot woman now leave their second mate, tear up an entire family, destroy the security of the children, and this is somehow pleasing to God? Seriously? 

Yes, it is sad this has become our norm, but your answer will inflict more pain, not lessen it. 

blessings, 

Gids

Sadly, yes, that is what he is saying.  People like him would have people stay with a person they married to no matter how bad it is.  It wouldn't matter if they were being verbally, sexually, or physically abused.  It wouldn't matter if they had been abandoned by the other person.  They got married, it turned out to be a mistake, and now God has condemned them to live their life alone, for the rest of what is left. And what he is also teaching, even though he isn't saying it bluntly is this:

That if a person divorces, or remarries, their sin is unforgivable.

 

[Exegesis]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

The woman at the well, who had multiple previous husbands and the man she was with then was not even her husband..... remember her? Did Jesus demand she go back and undo all six marriages or did He offer her the cure for a heart that had committed those sins? 

Good point, and the answer is "no."  Because by His very words, Jesus legitimized all 5 of her previous marriages or He would have replied to her very differently.

John 4:16 He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."  17 "I have no husband," she replied. Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband.  18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true." 

Jesus did not tell the woman she had had 1 original husband and all the other ones were not her husband.  If what vic66 is teaching were true, Jesus would have said something along those lines.  The holiness doctrine, which is 100% false, leaves no room for compassion, and it leaves no room for mistakes.  He has implied many times over in this thread that if someone divorces and remarries out side his doctrine that they are living in perpetual sin.  Which is false.  There is only one unforgivable sin.  It is not divorce or remarriage.

 

[Exegesis]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

You did not answer my question. If you stole from the IRS in 1986 and never made it right, are you not then still a thief? According to you, you are. 

If you have noticed, he does not answer direct questions very well, if he doesn't want to answer them.  That is what Beaujangles was trying to point out early.  He conveniently fails to answer questions that he does not wish to deal with.  And that is duplicitous behavior.  A person who is confident and above-board answers all questions asked of them.  There is no reason not to.