The First Trumpet

[WilliamL]

A lot of folks here state that since Revelation's 7th Trumpet is the LAST trumpet mentioned in the Bible, therefore, it must be "the last trumpet" that Paul was referring to in 1 Cor. 15:52, when he equated it with time of the Parousia and resurrection of the dead.

Just to note that this logic can also be equally applied to the FIRST trumpet/shofar mentioned in the Bible, which took place when YHWH descended upon Mount Sinai. And that certainly does not equate to the first trumpet of Revelation.

The case for the latter view is found here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/840-the-last-shofar-the-latter-horn-of-redemption/

Both views cannot be true. I say that there is much better evidence for the latter view, because there is no evidence to support the belief that Paul knew anything about the 7 trumpets of the Revelation that Christ later showed to John. But he certainly knew about the first shofar of God's Judgment that took place on Sinai.

[revv]

The 2 witnesses are 'raised from the dead' at the end of the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe aka the start of the 7th Trumpet, the last trumpet.  Seems pretty straightforward that the 'last trump' is the 7th Trumpet.

[R. Hartono]

Lord's prayer says "Lead us  not into temptation but deliver us from evil", this shows that God will take the wise virgins be4 the 1st seal opening where the evil antichrist is launched to conquer the world with fake peace.

Rev 3:10 .....I Will also save you from the days of temptation that shall befall the world".......

"We are not appointed to wrath"

God will serve the world with wormwood coffee by the 3rd trumpets, the great multitude in heaven is served with the Feast of the lamb.

Edited July 8, 2020 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

3 minutes ago, revv said:

The 2 witnesses are 'raised from the dead' at the end of the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe aka the start of the 7th Trumpet, the last trumpet.  Seems pretty straightforward that the 'last trump' is the 7th Trumpet.

The 2 Witnesses shall b killed by the beast of bottomless pit released by 5th trumpets but resurrected after 3 days only be4 the 6th trumpet.

[Uriah]

I agree wit revv. As a result of the 7th trumpet the announcement is made-And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

It is also "the time of the dead, that they should be judged-this requires a RESURRECTION which the scriptures tell us is accompanied by the rapture.

[RonaldBruno]

On 7/6/2020 at 4:42 PM, WilliamL said:

there is no evidence to support the belief that Paul knew anything about the 7 trumpets of the Revelation that Christ later showed to John.

The Holy Spirit gave Paul and every other apostle knowledge, words to write ... what they needed to know to complete their mission. "All scripture is God breathed."

 " ... wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth." 

19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened". REV. 11:18, 19

 

At the sound if the 7th trumpet, heaven opens, the nations become the Lords, the dead are judged, thw saints recwive rewards (as they jave just entered heaven, and the wrath in the 7 bowls are released. How much more logical can it be?

The problem is, it completely disproves the Pre-Trib view and those who adhere to it must reject this as the last trumpet. THATS Lots of theology down the drain.

[R. Hartono]

On 7/7/2020 at 9:17 AM, Uriah said:

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

It is also "the time of the dead, that they should be judged-this requires a RESURRECTION which the scriptures tell us is accompanied by the rapture.

How do u explain Jesus own the kingdom of the world as at that time AC still rule the world until Armageddon battle.

The dead shud be judged showed judment for sinners not for saints.

Edited July 9, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

How do u explain Jesus own the kingdom of the world as at that time AC still rule the world until Armageddon battle.

The dead shud be judged showed judment for sinners not for saints.

Hi R.Hartono

The scriptures explain it...Rev 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And yes, this IS at Armageddon! When you read Revelation, it moves forward into the future and returns back to provide details. The Seals, trumpets and vials repeat the judgments with those differing details so they are not written in a linear timeline. A series of many visions that are fluid. I will provide more if you like.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

The Seals, trumpets and vials repeat the judgments with those differing details so they are not written in a linear timeline. .

So how do u explain why the 4th trumpet darkened the sun but the 4th vial scorched mankind with tremendous heat ? How cud it happened at the same time n not on a linear time line ?

Edited July 9, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Revelation Man]

On 7/6/2020 at 4:42 PM, WilliamL said:

A lot of folks here state that since Revelation's 7th Trumpet is the LAST trumpet mentioned in the Bible, therefore, it must be "the last trumpet" that Paul was referring to in 1 Cor. 15:52, when he equated it with time of the Parousia and resurrection of the dead.

Just to note that this logic can also be equally applied to the FIRST trumpet/shofar mentioned in the Bible, which took place when YHWH descended upon Mount Sinai. And that certainly does not equate to the first trumpet of Revelation.

The case for the latter view is found here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/840-the-last-shofar-the-latter-horn-of-redemption/

Both views cannot be true. I say that there is much better evidence for the latter view, because there is no evidence to support the belief that Paul knew anything about the 7 trumpets of the Revelation that Christ later showed to John. But he certainly knew about the first shofar of God's Judgment that took place on Sinai.

The Last Trump is Jesus calling the Church home PRE TRIB to end the Harvest see Rev. 4:1 it tells us his voice is as a TRUMP. Paul is showing us shadows when he says Last Trump, via the Feast of Trumps. {Leviticus 23}

Spring Feasts Fulfilled by Jesus

1.) Passover {Jesus' Blood is our Passover}

2.) First-fruits {Jesus is the first-fruits of the grave}

3.) Unleavened Bread {Jesus was without Sin}

 

Summer Harvest

4.) Feast of weeks/Pentecost or the Church Age { We are in the Harvest now, Church Age, and we are Harvesting souls for the Master. We will be doing so until Jesus calls us home at the LAST TRUMP, and thus the Feast of Trumpets always ended the Harvest. }

 

Fall Feasts

5.) Feast of Trumpets {This never did much except make ANNOUNCEMENTS, the Trump ended the Harvest and announced that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacle were both nigh at hand.

6.) Feast of Atonement {Israel has to Atone before the 70th week can be completed. }

7.) Feast of Tabernacle {The word tabernacle means to DWELL with God, thus after the Jews repent, Jesus sets up his throne in Jerusalem for 1000 years, so Jesus then DWELLS in Israel. So he TABERNACLES with Israel.}

 

The Last Trump has nothing to do with Revelation Judgments.