The Pre Tribulation Raptured Church

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

He returns with THE SAINTS who have on fine white linen.........better know as THE BRIDE who has arrayed herself in FINE WHITE LINEN.

That is correct.  He returns with THE SAINTS.  At the 2nd Advent so that they can meet up with those who are alive and remain HERE ON EARTH TO BEGIN THE LORDS DAY, here on earth.  THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE KINGS AND PRIESTS WITH CHRIST, here on earth,  TO RULE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE OVERCOME, here on earth AND ENDURED TO THE END here on earth

WHEN CHRIST RETURNS AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS

TO EARTH

THE SAINTS THAT HE BRINGS BACK WITH HIM ARE ALL THOSE SAINTS WHO HAVE DIED THROUGH OUT THE AGES.   THE CHURCH MUST STAY AND OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END. 

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia  And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.


BECAUSE WHEN HE DOES 

JUDGEMENTS THAT ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS HAVE BEEN MADE. 

HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE 

HE HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS


THIS IS A RECAP OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

BECAUSE 19:1-3  THE WHORE HATH BEEN JUDGED 

IN 19:11 WE ARE TOLD HE IS LEAVING HEAVEN AND HE IS GOING TO JUDGE AND MAKE WAR. 

SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY.  IN 19:1-3.  

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

OR

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Are you kidding here sister? Who is supposed to be in Heaven before the Church ? Answer, no one.

WOW.  We are reading different books.

Here are the words written in the BOOK I am reading, what does your read like?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?



 

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.




No one in heaven before the church??  Then who are these?  

I need to go back and retrieve all the statements you and I have made that are just like this last one.  No one in heaven before the PRE TRIB??? 
YOU and I will are so far apart on every thing it is hard to believe it is even possible. 

But here we are again.  So tell me again

How am I reading this wrong?  What is it I don't understand now?  How far have I gotten it out of context?  What is really being said that I am missing?

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I DON'T HAVE A THEORY

Yes, you have a Rapture theory that denies the Rapture via its proper timing, imho. Its not factual sister, so it has to be a theory, call it a thesis if you must. Its the same thing in essence, I agree its semantics, theory, thesis, its all about the same tbh.

No, I have a belief in the 2nd Advent AND DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ANY SORT OF PRE TRIB RAP

HERE IS YET ANOTHER VERSE,  WILL IT MATTER?

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

142 airo

to raise, take up, lift, remove

Greek
Not I do ask that You should take them out of the world but you should keep them from evil
 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

That is correct.  He returns with THE SAINTS.  At the 2nd Advent so that they can meet up with those who are alive and remain HERE ON EARTH TO BEGIN THE LORDS DAY, here on earth.  THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE KINGS AND PRIESTS WITH CHRIST, here on earth,  TO RULE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE OVERCOME, here on earth AND ENDURED TO THE END here on earth

WHEN CHRIST RETURNS AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS

TO EARTH

THE SAINTS THAT HE BRINGS BACK WITH HIM ARE ALL THOSE SAINTS WHO HAVE DIED THROUGH OUT THE AGES.   THE CHURCH MUST STAY AND OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END. 

I am going to PROVE THE ABOVE BOLDED IN RED 100% Incorrect sister. Maybe this will help you see why I understand as I do, in full. You just affirmed that those coming back with Jesus are Saints. Now I am going to show you that NO ONE Goes to Heaven when they die, we all go at the EXACT SAME POINT IN TIME !! The bible says so. When people have dreams and see their loved ones in Heaven, that is God showing us future events. OBSERVE BELOW:

KEYS:  Corruption means SIN FLESH, which can not enter Heaven.

Incorruption means the Spirit Man who is made whole by Jesus' blood, which thus can enter Heaven. REMEMBER THIS !!

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption (SIN FLESH) inherit incorruption (Heavenly Glories is for the Spirit Man only).

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: (When Jesus calls us home, LOOK at Rev. 4:1 his voice is as A TRUMP) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. (As Spirit men), and we shall be changed (from living human beings to SPIRIT MEN, in other words WE DIE and in a FLASH we are Spirit Men heading to Heaven. But notice when all this happens, at the LAST TRUMP the Dead in Christ are RAISED, they do not go STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN !! Look at it, it is as clear as day, the trump sounds AND THEN the Dead in Christ are raised from the Grave incorruptible, which means WITHOUT THE OLD SIN FLESH, as Spirit Men, bound for Heaven, and we are are ALIVE are thus CHANGED in a flash from Sinners in corruptible Flesh Bodies to Spirit men going to Heaven at the EXACT SAME TIME as Paul, Peter and all of our brothers who died in Christ Jesus BEFORE US, thus the ones coming back has to be the WHOLE CHURCH, no one goes straight to Heaven, verse 52 tells us that the Dead in Christ are RAISED at the Last Trump and we are CHANGED and thus we all go to be with Jesus at the exact same time).

53 For this corruptible (Sin Flesh) must put on incorruption (Spirit Man), and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible (Sin Flesh) shall have put on incorruption (Spirit Man), and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

The above verses proves that those DEAD IN CHRIST, do not go to Heaven sister. Thus those coming back with Jesus can ONLY BE THE Raptured Church, both Dead and Alive, we go to Heaven at the EXACT SAME TIME Sister. I am not just guessing. I pondered all these things over a 35 year period of time, there is knowledge in my gray hairs I guess, SMILE.

So, who comes back with Jesus then ? The Raptured Church is those who died in Christ AND those who are alive and remain until Jesus calls us home.  People do not just go to heaven when they die, that is a misnomer, the bile says it is not so. Thus the 24 Elders and those who come back with Jesus can only be the WHOLE Church !!

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia  And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Again, Rev. 19 covers the full 7 years of the 70th week. 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

BECAUSE WHEN HE DOES 

JUDGEMENTS THAT ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS HAVE BEEN MADE. 

HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE 

HE HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS

The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGIONS of ALL TIME. The Kings Judge them for God, Rev. 17:17 says so.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WOW.  We are reading different books.

Here are the words written in the BOOK I am reading, what does your read like?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

You are CONFLATING peoples, there are two sets of peoples, Saints of the Church Age who are Raptured and in Heaven during the 70th week, and those who give their lives to Christ Jesus AFTER the Rapture and thus become Martyrs, they are the Remnant Church.

The Rev. 6:9 verse is not even a REAL TIME EVENT, it is Jesus telling what is coming during the 42 months of the Beasts coming rule. It starts at the 1260 (Middle of the week) and that is when the Martyrs start happening, why do you think the Woman (Israel) has to flee to Petra where she is Protected for 1260 days? Because the Anti-Christ tries to kill her off., just like he is going to kill off the Remnant Church (Martyrs) over the next 42 months of his rule on earth. So, Jesus is Prophesying about what the Beasts coming 42 month rule will entail, Martyrs over that 42 month period. NOTICE, Jesus tells them that they have to WAIT for all their brothers to die in this same manner, in other words this has not happened yet, its Jesus telling what will befall those who come to Christ after the Rapture, AFTER the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region. Meanwhile, God Himself is protecting Israel to preserve a SEED for Abraham via His promise unto Abraham. You conflate those RAPTURED with those who come to Christ AFTER the Rapture !! Rev. 20:4 tells us that ONLY THOSE who refused the Mark of the Beast will live and serve with Christ ON EARTH during his 1000 year reign on earth, GO READ IT. Those who come back with Jesus does not serve on earth with him, I guess we go back to finish off the New Jerusalem.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Which actually shows that these are not in Heaven, nor can be, they are shown to be Judged in Rev. 20:4 AFTER Jesus returns with us Saints who Married the Lamb in Heaven. They can not be raised/revenged until AFTER the Beasts 42 month rule !! In other words, they must wait until the Beast Martyrs ALL of the Remnant Church during his 42 month rule as Beast.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

No one in heaven before the church??  Then who are these?  

They are the DEAD who must wait until the Second Coming to be Judged..............SEE BELOW:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (Church): and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

These you are referring to are not in Heaven, they get judged AFTER the Second Coming, it tells us so right there in Rev. 20:4, ONLY those who laid down their lives for the Beast will live and reign on earth with Christ Jesus. There is a Temple on earth, and a Temple in Heaven. But these souls will not be raised up until AFTER the Second Coming, then and only then are the Judged, as we see in Rev. 20:4. 

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I need to go back and retrieve all the statements you and I have made that are just like this last one.  No one in heaven before the PRE TRIB??? 
YOU and I will are so far apart on every thing it is hard to believe it is even possible. 

But here we are again.  So tell me again

How am I reading this wrong?  What is it I don't understand now?  How far have I gotten it out of context?  What is really being said that I am missing?

You are conflating those Raptured, both the Dead and Living who go to Heaven at the EXACT SAME TIME, to Marry the Lamb, with those Martyrs during the 70th week are are told they MUST WAIT until all of their brothers die in like manner as they have died. Its metaphoric in Nature, I guess Jesus could speak unto them, but Jesus has told them in the book of Revelation BEFOREHAND, all who die during the Beasts 42 month rule have to be PATIENT, your revenge will be realized shortly, after the Beasts 42 month rule is over.

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

No, I have a belief in the 2nd Advent AND DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ANY SORT OF PRE TRIB RAP

HERE IS YET ANOTHER VERSE,  WILL IT MATTER?

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

142 airo

to raise, take up, lift, remove

Greek
Not I do ask that You should take them out of the world but you should keep them from evil

Again, you conflate who this is about, it is about Jesus' DISCIPLES, they all were going to die the Martyrs death save John. This has NOTHING to do with the End Times.

THE KEY for you should be 1 Cor. 15:51-52, it plainly tells you that the DEAD IN Christ are raised from their graves at the LAST TRUMP, the same time those on earth, LIVING in Christ are CHANGED from flesh men to Spirit men. 

God Bless.

[iamlamad]

RM is teaching myth: readers, the classical pretrib teaching is TRUTH: at the shout and the last trump (NOT the 7th trumpet) the dead in Christ rise, then an instant later that alive and in Christ rise and are changed, and then we follow John 14: Jesus will escort the church to heaven to wait out the time of God's wrath on earth. 

The truth is, Jesus will bring the SPIRITS (and souls) of those who have died in Christ with Him, so they can join with their new, resurrection body, and be whole once again.  Then all will be escorted to heaven to the homes Jesus has prepared for us. (1 thes. 4 & 5, & John 14) 
(The spirit is the real US: but each spirit has a soul, the mind, will, emotions, memories, etc. When a saint dies, the spirit with the soul is escorted to heaven to be with Jesus until resurrection day.)

As shown in Revelation 19, over 7 years later we all return to earth WITH HIM all on white horses and all with resurrection bodies. 

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

That is correct.  He returns with THE SAINTS.  At the 2nd Advent so that they can meet up with those who are alive and remain HERE ON EARTH TO BEGIN THE LORDS DAY, here on earth.  THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE KINGS AND PRIESTS WITH CHRIST, here on earth,  TO RULE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE OVERCOME, here on earth AND ENDURED TO THE END here on earth
 

TO BEGIN THE LORDS DAY, here on earth.   You mean, to begin the "Millennial Reign."

"The Lord's day" from Rev. 1 is speaking of a day of the week: SUNDAY - the day He rose.
"The Day of the Lord" is an extended period of time where God's plan is to destroy this planet (not all at once) and kill the sinners on the planet. 

this "Day of the Lord" will begin at the 6th seal and continue on at least to the end of the 70th week of Daniel. 

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

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THE SAINTS THAT HE BRINGS BACK WITH HIM ARE ALL THOSE SAINTS WHO HAVE DIED THROUGH OUT THE AGES.   THE CHURCH MUST STAY AND OVERCOME AND ENDURE TO THE END. 
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DeighAnn, this is simply not the truth of Scripture. You are trying to force TWO more comings into one. That does not work. 

The truth is, He will come the NEXT time FOR His church, but come ONLY to the air, then escort the church back to heaven to wait out the time of His wrath on earth: 7 years.  When He comes FOR His bride, He will being the spirits (with the souls) of the dead in Christ with Him so they can meet and join again with their new, resurrection bodies and be WHOLE again. A moment after the dead in Christ rise, those who are alive and in Christ rise, and together (the gathering) we are all escorted to the homes He went to prepare for us. (No white horses here.)

Then, over 7 years later, Jesus will return to earth again. And again the saints will come WITH Him, all on white horses and all in their resurrection bodies. For those that count, this will be His THIRD coming. 

Question for posttribbers: How in the world are you going to get to the marriage and supper which will take place in heaven BEFORE Christ descends?  (The answer is, you can't.)

The "staying" and "overcoming" and "enduring to the end" are for those left behind - because they were not born again at the time of the rapture, pretrib.  The church "overcame" when they were born again.  For the most part, it will be the Jews who "endure to the end." Gentile believers will be overcome. 

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

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BECAUSE WHEN HE DOES 

JUDGEMENTS THAT ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS HAVE BEEN MADE. 

HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE 

HE HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS

THIS IS A RECAP OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

BECAUSE 19:1-3  THE WHORE HATH BEEN JUDGED 

IN 19:11 WE ARE TOLD HE IS LEAVING HEAVEN AND HE IS GOING TO JUDGE AND MAKE WAR. 

SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY.  IN 19:1-3.  

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

OR

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

WOW.  We are reading different books.

Here are the words written in the BOOK I am reading, what does your read like?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

No one in heaven before the church??  Then who are these?  

You was doing OK, sort of, until you quoted the 5th seal scriptures - as if they had anything to do with chapter 17 or 19, which they don't. 

In chapters 4 & 5, John (Jesus behind John) sets the context for the first seal:
1. A throne room with Jesus ABSENT
2. A thone room with the Holy Spirit PRESENT
3. A search for one worthy that ended in FAILURE: not even Jesus was found worthy.

TO:  (we see time passing)

Suddenly Jesus WAS found in a subsequent search - showing He had just risen from the dead.
We see Jesus ascend and send the Holy Spirit down - circa 32 AD.

Summary: God is showing John and us a throne room during the time Jesus was on earth or under the earth. Jesus was NOT seen at the right hand of the Father because it was while He was on earth. the Holy Spirit was there only because of TIME: Jesus had not yet ascended to send Him down. And then Jesus was not found worthy in that first search because He had not yet risen from the dead. 
TIME PASSES
Jesus then rose from the dead, was found worthy, ascended back into the throne room, and sent the Holy Spirit down.
NEXT: in 32 AD, Jesus got the book and immediately began opening seals.
SEAL 1: circa 32 AD: the CHURCH is sent out to take the GOSPEL to the nations.
Seals 2, 3, 4: Satan attempts to STOP the gospel by wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, etc.

SEAL 5: martyrs of the church age. OF COURSE a part of the church is in heaven. The martyrs all went to heaven. All the dead in Christ went to heaven.  When was Stephen killed? It was EARLY in the church age. 

Seal 6 starts judgment with the start of the Day of the Lord. We are not there yet: seal 6 is FUTURE. Seal 5 is HISTORY. 

Agreed: in Rev. 19: the whore is judged. But the battle of Armageddon is future.

QUESTION: please tell us all: how are YOU going to get to heaven for the marriage and supper?

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: (When Jesus calls us home, LOOK at Rev. 4:1 his voice is as A TRUMP) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. (As Spirit men), and we shall be changed (from living human beings to SPIRIT MEN, in other words WE DIE and in a FLASH we are Spirit Men heading to Heaven. But notice when all this happens, at the LAST TRUMP the Dead in Christ are RAISED, they do not go STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN !! Look at it, it is as clear as day, the trump sounds AND THEN the Dead in Christ are raised from the Grave incorruptible, which means WITHOUT THE OLD SIN FLESH, as Spirit Men, bound for Heaven, and we are are ALIVE are thus CHANGED in a flash from Sinners in corruptible Flesh Bodies to Spirit men going to Heaven at the EXACT SAME TIME as Paul, Peter and all of our brothers who died in Christ Jesus BEFORE US, thus the ones coming back has to be the WHOLE CHURCH, no one goes straight to Heaven, verse 52 tells us that the Dead in Christ are RAISED at the Last Trump and we are CHANGED and thus we all go to be with Jesus at the exact same time).

53 For this corruptible (Sin Flesh) must put on incorruption (Spirit Man), and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible (Sin Flesh) shall have put on incorruption (Spirit Man), and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

OUR TURN.


 1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 

SO WHERE IS THE CHURCH?  ASLEEP?   DOES EVERYONE SLEEP AT RAPTURE? 

CAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE THEORY DIES/SLEEPS TILL THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM ANYHOW, BECAUSE 

THERE IS NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM FOLLOWING ANY ONE OR ANY THING THAT HAPPENS ON THIS EARTH BECAUSE OF THAT BELIEF.  DO YOU GET IT???   YOU CAN WORSHIP THE BEAST, AND THE FALSE PROPHET AND SATAN AND ALL IT ENTAILS

BECAUSE

THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS EARTH OR COMING TO THIS EARTH THAT WILL EVER BE FORBIDDEN FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THIS THEORY,  IS THERE?????

PRE TRIBS CAN WORSHIP ANY ONE OR ANY THING THAT CLAIMS TO BE OF GOD, CAN'T THEY ,AS THEY ARE SAFE IN THEIR BELIEF THAT THEY WON'T BE HERE, FOR NO DECEPTION COMING THEIR WAY, RIGHT???


 THERE CAN'T BE ANYTHING FORBIDDEN TO WORSHIP OR TAKE THE MARK OF BECAUSE OF THE BELIEF OF BEING GONE BEFORE, RIGHT???? 

 SO SATAN CAN AND WILL CONVINCE THEM THAT ANYTHING IS OK BECAUSE  THEY ARE STILL HERE, SO IT MUST BE OK.    NOT TO EVER WORRY ABOUT   "BEING DECEIVED" / TESTED/ TRIBULATION, BECAUSE THEY  WON'T BE HERE,   

WILL YOU????.

DO YOU SEE THE MIND SET? 

THE THEORY ALLOWS ALL THAT FOLLOW IT,  TO BE TAKEN IN BY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES THEIR WAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE PRE SAVED DON'T YOU KNOW, THEY WONT BE HERE.  

THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WRONG AS FAR AS WORSHIP BECAUSE THEY WILL BE LONG GONE BEFORE DECEPTION COMES ALONG. 

WHO WOULD LOVE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT?  SATAN 

WHAT DOES JESUS WARN "DO NOT BE DECEIVED"   

ITS A SPIRITUAL WAR.  JUST AS IT IS A SPIRITUAL MARK THAT

IS FREE TO TAKE BECAUSE OF THE BELIEF IT WON'T COME UPON THEM.  IT WILL NEVER BE SATAN, IT CAN NEVER BE SATAN,   BECAUSE THE THEORY TAKES YOU AWAY FIRST. 

GONE BEFORE DECEPTION NEVER TO FALL INTO DECEPTION  BECAUSE NOT AROUND FOR IT.  SO IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

SO EVEN WHEN SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, IT ISN'T DECEPTION
 
BECAUSE YOU KNOW AS A BELIEVER IN THE THEORY ,     YOU WONT BE HERE.  

SO WHY DOES JESUS EVEN WARN ANYONE  NOT TO BE DECEIVED????  BECAUSE JESUS KNOWS DECEPTION IS COMING,  NOT RAPTURE. 

IF IT WAS RAPTURE THEN JESUS WOULD HAVE SAID, DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT DECEPTION/ TRIBULATION/ TESTING COMING BECAUSE I, JESUS,  AM COMING TO REMOVE YOU BEFORE IT HAPPENS

DECEPTION/ TRIBULATION / TESTING /
ARE YOU PASSING OR ARE YOU FAILING.

TRUE OR FALSE 

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


TRUE OR FALSE

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

TRUE OR FALSE

1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.


TRUE OR FALSE

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

TRUE OR FALSE

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

TRUE OR FALSE
 

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


TRUE OR FALSE

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 


TRUE OR FALSE
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. 


TRUE OR FALSE

 

1Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

1Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

1Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

1Peter 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

1Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[DeighAnn]

43 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

"The Lord's day" from Rev. 1 is speaking of a day of the week: SUNDAY - the day He rose.

THE SABBATH?

[Justin Adams]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

THE SABBATH?

Yeshu arose on the Eve of the Sabbath. Exactly 72 hours after He was in the grave. Wed Nisan 14 thru Nisan 17.

He arose on the Sabbath, as foretold in many places. The RCC sun-day is fake.

Edited August 9, 2020 by Justin Adams

[DeighAnn]

43 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

"The Day of the Lord" is an extended period of time where God's plan is to destroy this planet (not all at once) and kill the sinners on the planet. 

THIS MIGHT BE BELIEVED BY ANYONE WHO HASN'T READ EZEKIEL 40 ON, BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE,  WE RECOGNIZE THIS AS ANOTHER FALSE STATEMENT

THE ONLY TIME ANY ONE WILL DIE FOREVER IS IN THE LAKE OF FIRE, ALL AT ONCE,  DEAD REMAIN DEAD TILL THAT NEXT TESTING WHEN SATAN LOOSED.  TILL THEN THE NATIONS WILL BE COMING TO THE TEMPLE TO WORSHIP

THAT WOULD BE SPIRITUALLY DEAD