Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, JAG** said:

Incorrect.

Evidence to support the NEAR FUTURE interpretation  is the clear statements in John's epistles
that certainly and COMPELLINGLY identify John's antichrists as JOHN'S PRESENT DAY
Christian apostates. John clearly said the following about them, and about his present
time of the first century:

First, please stop combining the antichrist who shall come..... with the individuals that John was likening them to the future single antichrist.... all into one package, by calling them as a group as "John's antichrists".     The issue is antichrist shall come.

Ii is not the near future (John's time) coming of the Antichrist - otherwise John would have said something like antichrist who you have heard is coming is here.

From John's perspective it may have been the last hour, considering all that was happening in his day.    But from history, the antichrist still has not arrived yet.    

That John did not give the name of the antichrist in his day, nor any of the apostles, is the conclusive proof that the antichrist did not come in his time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[JAG**]

16 minutes ago, douggg said:

First, please stop combining the antichrist who shall come..... with the individuals that John was likening them to the future single antichrist.... all into one package, by calling them as a group as "John's antichrists".     The issue is antichrist shall come.

Ii is not the near future coming of the Antichrist - otherwise John would have said something like antichrist who you have heard is coming is here.

From John's perspective it may have been the last hour, considering all that was happening in day.    But from history, the antichrist still has not arrived yet.    

That John did not give the name of the antichrist in his day, nor any of the apostles, is the conclusive proof that the antichrist did not come in his time.

That has nothing to do with this particular thread.

That has nothing to do with the title of this thread.

That has nothing to do with what my Opening Post requests.

My title asks for a Bible Verse. Do you have one?

My Opening Post asks for a Bible Verse. Do you have one?

If you do not have one, then you are in the wrong thread.

Would you like to start a thread so you can discuss subjects OTHER THAN

 a clear Bible-Verse connection between John's antichrists and that list

down there?

In order for the notion that there is to be some sort of "future antichrist"

to be established there MUST be a clear Bible-Verse CONNECTION between

John's antichrists , , ,

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

, , , and one or more  on this list , , ,

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

■ or any other parts of the Bible

 

The truth is that NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes that connection -- all of

it is pure interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that connects John's antichrists with any other parts of the Bible.

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So far, most everybody who has posted in opposition has talked about subjects

OTHER THAN what this particular thread is asking for. The reason is because

there is NOT a single Bible-Verse that connects John's antichrists with that

list up there.

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[douggg]

13 minutes ago, JAG** said:

In order for the notion that there is to be some sort of "future antichrist"

to be established there MUST be a clear Bible-Verse CONNECTION between

John's antichrists , , ,

Why, does there have to be a connection with all those verses you listed, for there not to be a future antichrist?

 

John nor any of the apostles gave the name of the Antichrist.    Because the Antichrist did not come in their day.

 

Conversely, if you were asked, did any of the apostles give the name of the Christ?     Yes, Jesus.   

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[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, JAG** said:

So far the title of my Opening Post stands unrefuted:

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

It has been refuted soundly.  You just choose not to see it for some reason.  You call my post speculation where I used specific scriptures to refute your "proposition" and don't offer any rationale as to why.  Since there's an absence of meaningful discussion in this thread, I'm out.  

[JAG**]

3 minutes ago, douggg said:

Why, does there have to be a connection with all those verses you listed, for there not to be a future antichrist?

 

John nor any of the apostles gave the name of the Antichrist.    Because the Antichrist did not come in their day.

"John nor any of the apostles gave the name of the Antichrist.:__Douggg

You are incorrect.

John mentioned antichrist in these 4 instances in his epistles.

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

So how can you say:

"John nor any of the apostles gave the name of the Antichrist.:__Douggg

However, if  you mean some future antichrist then that is your personal

assumption and your speculation --- because the Bible does NOT say there

is to be  a future THE antichrist. YOU may proclaim that there will be one. But

the Bible does NOT say there is to be THE antichrist in the future.

 

If you want to keep the word antichrist then you have got to base your doctrine

of antichrist on this:

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances.  So you MUST make a clear

and solid CONNECTION to John's antichrists ---otherwise give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that your imagined future "evil man" is called whatever you want

to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist."

 

I repeat:

 

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances.  So you MUST make a clear

and solid CONNECTION to John's antichrists ---otherwise give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that your imagined future "evil man" is called whatever you want

to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist."

 

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Solid, is this:

If you want to keep the name "antichrist" then you MUST make the connection to John's  mention

of antichrists here , , ,

 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

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"Why, does there have to be a connection with all those verses you listed, for there not to be a future antichrist?"___Douggg

Because the people that predict a future antichrist assume and speculate that there is a connection and they build their

doctrine of some future evil world ruler that they call THE antichrist based upon their assumed speculations that John's antichrists

are connected to one or more on this list:

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

[JAG**]

Just now, Last Daze said:

It has been refuted soundly. 

Incorrect.

So far the title of my Opening Post stands unrefuted:

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[douggg]

5 minutes ago, JAG** said:

--- because the Bible does NOT say there

is to be  a future THE antichrist.

Then present the verses in the bible of the apostles giving the name of the Antichrist, if he has already come.

 

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

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[JAG**]

10 minutes ago, douggg said:

Then present the verses in the bible of the apostles giving the name of the Antichrist, if he has already come.

 "He" has not already come ---and "he" will never come -- because there is no such thing as

some future evil world ruler that is to come that will be called THE antichrist --the claim that

there is to be some future THE antichrist is pure personal assumption and pure personal

interpretative speculation --- because there is no Bible-verse connection between John's 

antichrists and any other part of the Bible. 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances.  So you MUST make a clear

and solid CONNECTION to John's antichrists ---otherwise give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that your imagined future "evil man" is called whatever you want

to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist" or antichrist.

 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

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[douggg]

Just now, JAG** said:

 "He" has not already come ---and "he" will never come -- because there is no such thing as

some future evil world ruler that is to come that will be called THE antichrist -

Whatever you determine the person is... give his name if he has already come.

 

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.