Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[Alive]

One book promotion is sufficient...this is looking like an advertising thread for Gentry.

Point made--once is enough.

:-)

[JAG**]

14 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Is what you are pushing with this dogmatic flourish, an insistence 

that because the text of Scripture doesn't literally contain the words

"the antichrist", no future antichrist tyrants will rise up "after the

working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders"?

The answer  to your question is no I am NOT saying that there

will be no future antichrist tyrants that will appear that do the

work of Satan. But what I mean by that is the future antichrists

tyrants will be no more than the regular run of the mill wicked people

that have always plagued the Christian Church. There is no THE Antichrist

that is yet future --- but there is a whole herd of regular antichrists. In fact

some of these regular wicked antichrists are NOW in Washington D.C. and

have been elected to public office --- and they hold evil political policies

on some of the Social Issues.

Any human beings that stand against Christ and stand for wickedness is 

an antichrist.  

The prefix "Anti" means "against" or "opposite of" -- so any humans

that are against Christ are antichrists.

___________

 

The following said in kindness , , , 

Regarding "pushing" and "dogmatic flourish":

I do not "push" my views any more than you "push" your views.

I do not "push" my views any more than any other poster "pushes" their views.

I do not use a "dogmatic flourish" any more that you use a "dogmatic flourish"

to  advance your views --- or any more than other posters use a "dogmatic flourish"

to advance their views.

My Opening Post and my follow-up posts in this thread are either TRUE or FALSE.

My view is that they are TRUE --- that there is NOT a single Bible-Verse that connects

John's antichrists with:

Daniel 7

2 Thess 2

Revelation 13

the book of Revelation 

Ezekiel 

the "false prophet"

the "harlot" 

the "beast"

the "little horn"

the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" } 2 Thess 2}

or any other parts of the Bible 

NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes the connection -- all of it is pure

interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that makes the connection. 

 

JAG

 

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[Alive]

I deleted a few posts that were personal and not related to the subject--nothing of substance.

Let's stick to the subject--its a good discussion--whether one agrees or not.

:-)

[JAG**]

1 minute ago, SONshine said:

 Here is the argument for THE Antichrist of the (very near) future.  I pray this will help you.

 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

Thank you for your comments. I pray the  following will help you.

There was not a single Bible-Verse in your post that made a connection

with John's antichrists in John's epistles. Not one.

 The Bible mentions Antichrists in only the following 4 verses:

1 John 2:18

1John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 
 

Your post failed to make any connection with John's antichrists. Your

post presented  personal interpretative speculation. Mark 13 and Revelation 6

and Revelation 4 do NOT mention antichrists.  You are presenting personal

assumptions and personal interpretative speculation and NOT presenting a

Bible-Verse connection between the verses you cite and John's antichrists.

 The truth is there is NOT a single Bible-Verse that connects

John's antichrists with:

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

■ or any other parts of the Bible 

NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes the connection -- all of it is pure

interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that makes a connection to John's antichrists in these 4

instances 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

 

So far the title of my Opening Post and this thread stands unrefuted.

 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

JAG

[JAG**]

21 minutes ago, SONshine said:

I don’t understand what it is you’re trying to say, Jag.  Are you saying, in actuality, that Satan will not come in the future?

Here is what I am  saying:

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

There was not a single Bible-Verse in your post that made a connection

with John's antichrists in John's epistles. Not one.

 The Bible mentions Antichrists in only the following 4 verses:

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 
 

Your post failed to make any connection with John's antichrists. Your

post presented  personal interpretative speculation. Mark 13 and Revelation 6

and Revelation 4 do NOT mention antichrists.  You are presenting personal

assumptions and personal interpretative speculation and NOT presenting a

Bible-Verse connection between the verses you cite and John's antichrists.

 The truth is there is NOT a single Bible-Verse that connects

John's antichrists with:

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

■ or any other parts of the Bible 

NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes the connection -- all of it is pure

interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that makes a connection to John's antichrists in these 4

instances 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

 

So far the title of my Opening Post and this thread stands unrefuted.

 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

_______________

 

Regarding Satan: This thread is NOT about Satan.  This Opening Post seeks to establish the

truth that there is no Bible-Verse connection between John's antichrists and any other part

of the Bible.  Do you have a Bible -Verse that makes the connection between John's antichrists

and any of the following?

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

■ or any other parts of the Bible

Best

JAG

 

 

 

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[Alive]

I think of 'anti-christ' as the intelligence behind what manifests as a manipulative dynamic in the world.

That spirit of antichrist, if you will, has always been active--always being at least since the fall.

 

[JAG**]

31 minutes ago, SONshine said:

Of course there is.  Anyone throughout biblical history and today who

is against Christ is an antichrist....just like anyone who is a believer

in Christ is a Christian.  It’s simple!

Agreed. If you define antichrist the way you have defined antichrist in your

post up there, then I agree with you. However the way you define antichrist
in your post up there is NOT the same kind of antichrist that my Opening Post

is talking about. My Opening Post is talking about some who assume and

speculate that John's antichrists are CONNECTED to one or more of the following

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

________

 

But the truth is that NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes that connection -- all of it is pure

interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that makes a connection to John's antichrists mentioned in  these 4

instances in John's epistles with that list up there.

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

 

So there is no  Bible -Verse that makes the connection between John's antichrists

and any of the following?

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

■ or any other parts of the Bible

___________

So?

So if you define antichrists like this:

"Of course there is.  Anyone throughout biblical history and today who

is against Christ is an antichrist."___SONshine , , ,

, , , then I agree with you and you now can  agree with my Opening Post

because your definition of antichrist up there --- does NOT conflict with

my Opening Post.

 

Best 

JAG

 

 

 

 

 

[JAG**]

58 minutes ago, Alive said:

I think of 'anti-christ' as the intelligence behind what manifests as a manipulative dynamic in the world.

That spirit of antichrist, if you will, has always been active--always being at least since the fall.

 

Sounds good to me.

Sign me up as believing in all of that , , , and believing it strongly too.

JAG

 

 

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[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

I think of 'anti-christ' as the intelligence behind what manifests as a manipulative dynamic in the world.

That spirit of antichrist, if you will, has always been active--always being at least since the fall.

 

And this is what's referred to in Revelation 18 as Babylon.  Babylon, in its broad context, is the influence of the kingdom of Satan on the human race.  It is the mystery of iniquity that is anti-God / anti-Christ and was responsible for the fall.  It will be cast down when Jesus returns to establish His millennial kingdom here on earth.

[Michael37]

11 hours ago, JAG** said:

My view is that they are TRUE --- that there is NOT a single Bible-Verse that connects

John's antichrists with:

Daniel 7

2 Thess 2

Revelation 13

the book of Revelation 

Ezekiel 

the "false prophet"

the "harlot" 

the "beast"

the "little horn"

the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" } 2 Thess 2}

or any other parts of the Bible 

NOT one {1} single Bible Verse makes the connection -- all of it is pure

interpretative personal speculation without so much as one {1} clear 

Bible-Verse that makes the connection. 

All the verses in the Bible are connected, as are all its God-breathed concepts, precepts, principles, and doctrines. 

The metaphorical beast from the earth in Revelation 13 fits the description of antichrist, and as the ultimate and final perpetrator of satanically enhanced human opposition to God it is reasonable to refer to him in context as the antichrist, or just antichrist as Matthew Henry comfortably does without equivocation.

Given the activities attributed to the final false prophet I have no qualms about referring to him as the ultimate endtimes antichrist due to the connections Scripture provides me.

Rev 13:11  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.