Satan

[Joy in the Journey]

I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion. However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today. God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary. Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind. Correct me if I'm wrong ?

Blessings,

Tim

[Guest Zayit]

That's like saying he didn't create Adam because Adam fell.

[Joy in the Journey]

That's like saying he didn't create Adam because Adam fell.

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That's not what I meant

[other one]

God did not create Satan in his fallen state, Satan did that all by himself..... also God did not create Adam in his fallen state, Adam did that with the help of eve.....

Did God know that they would rebell against him........ I am not sure....

[Gerioke]

God did not create Satan in his fallen state,

[Karen C.]

Eve was deceived, but Adam was disobedient.

Adam sinned with his eyes wide OPEN!

That is why the word says through one mans disobedience (Adam) that all were made sinners.

Blessings,

[other one]

I agree Karen, however I don't think he would have done so without Eve's input. Good men have this thing about their women and deep down wanting to please them and take care of them, even when we know it is not right...... Adam chose between God and Eve..... Hummmmm lesson # 1

[Willow]

I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion. However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today. God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary. Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind. Correct me if I'm wrong ?

Blessings,

Tim

Thank you. Yes that is what I was saying.

God did not create Satan in his fallen state, Satan did that all by himself..... also God did not create Adam in his fallen state, Adam did that with the help of eve.....

Another good way to put it.

Did God know that they would rebell against him........ I am not sure....

but if He didn't......how would that make Him still an all knowing God?

[JesusisGod2]

I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion.  However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today.  God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary.  Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind.  Correct me if I'm wrong ?

Blessings,

Tim

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Hi Tim,

Let me ask you this then. Do you think that when God created Lucifer that He was unaware that he would rebell?

When God created man, do you think that God was unaware that he would rebell?

In Jesus

kevin

[Guest Zayit]

Eve was deceived, but Adam was disobedient.

Adam sinned with his eyes wide OPEN! 

That is why the word says through one mans disobedience (Adam) that all were made sinners.

Blessings,

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Correct! It was up to Adam to straighten his wife out, if he couldn't do it himself he was to turn to the L-RD and ask for clarification, instead he chose not do. So he rebelled to the natural order of things the way the L-rD set up.

Notice that Havah's punishment is only during child bearing , but Adams is every day by only being able to feed himself ( and family) by the sweat of his brow.