The Antichrist's seven year covenant with many

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I suspect this is just more myth. Paul tells us it is the MAN OF SIN that enters the temple. Are you declaring that the man of sin turns into the FP and not the Beast? 

Next, you are applying the 1290 BACKWARDS. All examples of the numbers for the last half START at the midpoint and go to the end - yet in your wisdom you start at the end and back up. Amazing.

I am telling you if the time-line doesn't fit then it doesn't fit. The False Prophet was NEVER GIVEN to anyone until John was given the book of Revelation, so he causes it becomes its him, bit it is not him because the TIME LINE doesn't fit !! You can't sit in the Temple at the 1290 when that happens 30 days BEFORE the 1260 and the Anti-Christ only goes forth Conquering on the 1260. We have the ability to look at all these things from these end times, God is no resepector of persons, seems you think He is, I believe His word.

God never gave the False Prophet angle to Daniel for a reason, then when he gave it to John, He had a great reason to gve it at that time, can you figure it out? I did. 

Here is the False Prophet in the Old Testament.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice(Jesus Worship from the Jews who REPENT, by the False Prophet) shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(Image of the Anti-Christ is placed in the Templee by the False Prophet), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days(Two-witnesses SHOW up, 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming). Its VAGUE HERE for a reason.

Here is the False Prophet in the book of Revelation.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The reason God/Man in Linen (Jesus) and Gabriel never gave Daniel the False Prophet angle is because the Jews still had to live in Jerusalem with High Priests for the next 500 or so years, and if they knew a Wicked False Prophet would arise, they would have killed every other High Priest, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So, Daniel was only told in very VAGUE TERMS, via the 1290 event.  John was told about the coming False Prophet via the book pf Revelation, Jerusalem had already fallen.  I choose to hear Jesus in Daniel chapter 12 over all men, sorry. He says at the 1290 (which is 1290 days from the Second Coming) that the Sacrifice shall be taken away, Jesus was not talking about a stupid, profane meat sacrifice, he was talking about Himself, THE SACRIFICE, which the False Prophet High Priest will FORBID as per the worshiping thereof, and he will then place the IMAGE of the E.U. President/Anti-Christ/Beast to come in 30 day, in the Temple of God. 

So, I will follow the Man in Linen Jesus' words. The False Prophet angle was not given in depth until John in 90ish AD. 

I supply the 1260, 1290 and 1335 the way it was given, you just can't grasp it, that't on you. 

It fits the way I teach it, nothing fits the way you look at it. 

[Diaste]

On 8/26/2020 at 7:01 PM, R. Hartono said:

Agree, ac shall conquer the world with peace by the 1st seal opening which began the 7 years of GT but in the middle of 7 years he will open his mask n demand worship as God.

I agree about the order.

I'm not positive but I'm thinking the head would and healing comes right at the beginning. I feel this is what gives the beast stature in the eyes of the world and leads to the beast declaring himself god.

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Good answer here! It gave me a laugh!

It is interesting that the image of Neb' started with Babylon, but then, that is where in the timeline he lived. 
I think all "tribs:" pre, mid, post. etc, believe we are in the time of the toes. Interesting: two feet add up to ten toes. 

And it would seem to me that is where the timeline began. Any interpretation then is harmonious and unforced.

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Paul tells us it is the MAN OF SIN that enters the temple. Are you declaring that the man of sin turns into the FP and not the Beast? 

I have heard this sort of thing before. That's exactly what is being said. I don't know where it comes from. Perhaps you could explain to me why some people seem to think the beast=FP?

I have always looked at this like there is a beast, the one from the sea, then another arises, the beast from the earth, and there is the beast and the FP working together; two not one. Like the beast is king and the FP is like a prime minister. Or something like that.

 

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I went through this entire verse some years back and looked at every Hebrew word in this verse. What it basically means is the Agreements are in place and this man comes forth and via a STRONG WILL makes a strong covenant with MANY NATIONS that favors him. I the middle of the week he shall........CAUSE....... the Sacrifice to be taken away, and the AoD to be placed. NOTICE, he doesn't take them away, he CAUSES them to be taken away and thus he CAUSES the AoD. Hes in league with the Jewish High Priest, who is the False Prophet. THINK.........Antiochus Epiphanes and Jason the High Priest he appointed who tried to Hellenize the Jews leading to the Maccabean Revolt.........

Yes, that's what I said before, and not what you said earlier. 

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, its common sense to understand the way God does things and to allow those ways to guide your understandings, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, one can reason through why God would use the number 10. LETS DO THIS:

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

So, why would God use TEN DAYS here ? Well, He either had to use TEN DAYS or tell the Church the exact number of Days, so He used 10, the Number is a WELL KNOWN NUMBER used when filling in for an UNKNOWN NUMBER representing the complete number thereof. Just because people can't grasp this, or are unwilling to doesn't change the facts.

God also uses the 10 Brides instead of saying 2 Billion 400, 169 RANDOM NUMBER of Christians and half of them make the Wedding. The number 10 represents ALL Christians, and the half represents true Christians who have the Holy Spirit. 

The Number 10 via the E.U. is a natural to God, there will a continuous change in the numbers of the fractured Kingdoms in Europe down through the ages. So, the number 10 is a STAND IN for all Europe at all times. Sometimes its larger, sometimes smaller, but in God;s eyes, its ALWAYS 10..........It is what it is in other words. When the Moore's were Conquering Europe it was somewhat smaller, now it is as big as its ever been. The 3 can be 1/3, not 3 per se, or it can just mean 3, the number 3 is not used like 10 or 12 for fullness or for completeness so my guess is 3 of the COMPLETE NUMBER try to go back, which would mean at the moment, 3 out of 26 (27 if you count England). 

This just breeds confusion. We aren't in Wonderland, Alice. There is no White Rabbit.

 

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You truly do not get the scriptures on this brother. There can be no other option, PERIOD. Let go of preconceived notions.

Maybe not, but I don't add what isn't there and I don't make assumptions based on false premises.

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes, that's what I said before, and not what you said earlier. 

This just breeds confusion. We aren't in Wonderland, Alice. There is no White Rabbit.

 

Maybe not, but I don't add what isn't there and I don't make assumptions based on false premises.

Good post!

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes, that's what I said before, and not what you said earlier. 

 

Its exactly what I said, you seemingly can;t keep. He can MAKE AGREEMENTS himself based on a FRAMEWORK that's already there. 

TO WIT: Lets say a Prophecy was about Donald J. Trump making a Trade Deal with China and Mexico (An EXAMPLE of course to prove a point). So, Trump moves in and puts pressure on both China and Mexico by threatening to tear up the previous trade deals. Then he gets Concessions and makes NEW DEALS that benefit the USA a few years later. Were there TRADE DEALS in place before Trump? Of course there were, and thus THAT IS MY POINT.

Any prophecy telling about the final trade deal would more than likely reference the original deal he WIPED OUT. Alas, that is what happens with the Anti-Christ, he AFFIRMS, or Strong Arms the other group of people, but nowhere does it say that these MANY NATIONS had not already entered into agreements, it just states he AFFIRMS (STRONG ARMS) these agreements. Satan is a brilliant tactician, don't kid yourself, if I understand it would put the Anti-Christ in a better position to have a trade pact with these nations for a long period of time to get them used to the teat/money/sweet stuff, then Satan knows this also. He gets them hooked on the money, and the idea of belonging to the E.U. one day, then he places CONDITIONS on all these freebies and on the possibility of joining the E.U. community, and on being a trading partner with the E.U. That is when he forces concessions. AFFIRMS........STRONG ARMS them, like Trump did China and Mexico.

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

This just breeds confusion. We aren't in Wonderland, Alice. There is no White Rabbit.

 

Jesus stated that the reason he gave he disciples parables is so the world hearing would not hear and seeing would not see. Seems you are bogged down in what the world sees, when you should be able to see what the body of Christ sees. 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Maybe not, but I don't add what isn't there and I don't make assumptions based on false premises.

You don't decipher it correctly, mostly because you have a spirit that God always called Israel out about, being stiff-necked. Its really just pride brother. I am glad when God proves me wrong, because I know I am learning, so, over time I learned how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit clearly, and not fight Him as He was trying to teach me.  I used to hold on to MY BELIEFS the same way you do now.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Revelation Man

[iamlamad]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am telling you if the time-line doesn't fit then it doesn't fit. The False Prophet was NEVER GIVEN to anyone until John was given the book of Revelation, so he causes it becomes its him, bit it is not him because the TIME LINE doesn't fit !! You can't sit in the Temple at the 1290 when that happens 30 days BEFORE the 1260 and the Anti-Christ only goes forth Conquering on the 1260. We have the ability to look at all these things from these end times, God is no resepector of persons, seems you think He is, I believe His word.

God never gave the False Prophet angle to Daniel for a reason, then when he gave it to John, He had a great reason to gve it at that time, can you figure it out? I did. 

Here is the False Prophet in the Old Testament.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice(Jesus Worship from the Jews who REPENT, by the False Prophet) shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(Image of the Anti-Christ is placed in the Templee by the False Prophet), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days(Two-witnesses SHOW up, 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming). Its VAGUE HERE for a reason.

Here is the False Prophet in the book of Revelation.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The reason God/Man in Linen (Jesus) and Gabriel never gave Daniel the False Prophet angle is because the Jews still had to live in Jerusalem with High Priests for the next 500 or so years, and if they knew a Wicked False Prophet would arise, they would have killed every other High Priest, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So, Daniel was only told in very VAGUE TERMS, via the 1290 event.  John was told about the coming False Prophet via the book pf Revelation, Jerusalem had already fallen.  I choose to hear Jesus in Daniel chapter 12 over all men, sorry. He says at the 1290 (which is 1290 days from the Second Coming) that the Sacrifice shall be taken away, Jesus was not talking about a stupid, profane meat sacrifice, he was talking about Himself, THE SACRIFICE, which the False Prophet High Priest will FORBID as per the worshiping thereof, and he will then place the IMAGE of the E.U. President/Anti-Christ/Beast to come in 30 day, in the Temple of God. 

So, I will follow the Man in Linen Jesus' words. The False Prophet angle was not given in depth until John in 90ish AD. 

I supply the 1260, 1290 and 1335 the way it was given, you just can't grasp it, that't on you. 

It fits the way I teach it, nothing fits the way you look at it. 

I really don't believe much of what you teach here. I know, YOU think it fits; that is why you teach it. Who ever told you that the "daily sacrifice" is Jews worshiping Jesus? God gave us an example in Antiochus:

Dan. 11:³¹ And armed forces of his shall appear [in the holy land] and they shall pollute the sanctuary, the [spiritual] stronghold, and shall take away the continual [daily burnt offering]; and they shall set up [in the sanctuary] the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate [probably an altar to a pagan god]. (Amp)

Dan. 9:²⁷ And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Here is their "daily Sacrifices:"

 

• Miscellaneous Old Testament Charts

JEWISH TIME	ROMAN TIME
SCHEDULE OF THE TAMID SACRIFICE
FIRST HOUR	DAWN
The first lamb is brought out and tied to the altar at dawn Mishnah: Tamid 3:2-3:3	The priests prepare the altar [Exodus 29:38-42; Leviticus 6:1-6; Mishnah: Tamid 1:2]
THIRD HOUR	9AM
The first lamb is sacrificed at 9AM Mishnah: Tamid 3:7; Edersheim, The Temple, chapter 7, p. 108	9AM is the first hour of prayer  [Acts 2:15] Temple gates open "Shacharit"(morning)
SIXTH HOUR	NOON
The second lamb is brought out and tied to the altar at noon Mishnah: Tamid 4:1	Noon is the second hour of prayer [Acts 3:1; 10:9] "Minchah" (gift-offering)
NINTH HOUR	3PM
The second lamb is sacrificed at 3PM Antiquities of the Jews 14.4.3 (14:65);  Philo Special Laws I, XXXV (169)	3PM is the third hour of prayer; also called the hour of confession [Acts 3:1; 10:9] "Ma'ariv" (evening: our afternoon is the Jewish evening= next day began at sundown) [3 hours of prayer see Mishnah Berakhot]

 

Of course, if the temple is polluted, these daily sacrifices must cease. That is what verse 27 above is talking about. 

[Revelation Man]

On 8/28/2020 at 8:08 AM, iamlamad said:

I really don't believe much of what you teach here. I know, YOU think it fits; that is why you teach it. Who ever told you that the "daily sacrifice" is Jews worshiping Jesus? God gave us an example in Antiochus:

 

Well, since you are in error on almost everything except the Rapture, thats a good thing. 

On 8/28/2020 at 8:08 AM, iamlamad said:

Dan. 11:³¹ And armed forces of his shall appear [in the holy land] and they shall pollute the sanctuary, the [spiritual] stronghold, and shall take away the continual [daily burnt offering]; and they shall set up [in the sanctuary] the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate [probably an altar to a pagan god]. (Amp)

Dan. 9:²⁷ And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

Here is their "daily Sacrifices:"

 

And please tell my why Jesus would speak about a PROFANE SACRIFICE being taken away to start with, and why an AoD being placed in the Temple could PROFANE that which was already PROFANED? You can't profane something that is already profaned.  Secondly, why would the Jews heed Jesus and Flee Judea if they had not already accepted the Messiah, and if they had not already read Matt. 24 ? The Two-witnesses are sent back to turn Israel back to God BEFORE the Day of the Lord (can you not read SIMPLE VERSES? Malachi 4:5-6 says so........AS DOES Zechariah 13:8-9). 

I does't matter what you get or don't get God has laid these facts out. Here is what you think, you think God allows the Anti-Christ to Conquer Jerusalem/Jews BEFORE he gives them a sign, do you really think God is that slow witted? He will give a SIGN to Flee Judea BEFORE the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem. Its the AoD, which happens at the 1290, not at the 1260, which is 30 days later. 

Jesus is speaking about himself, THE SACRIFICE, being taken away by a Jewish High Priest False Prophet. These Jews who REPENT are the ones who Flee Judea. To be honest, anyone that sees the Seals as opened, I do not hold out much hope you can understand these things. And secondly, I understand stiff-necked types when I see them, and I don't continue to waste too much time on them. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Its exactly what I said, you seemingly can;t keep. He can MAKE AGREEMENTS himself based on a FRAMEWORK that's already there. 

TO WIT: Lets say a Prophecy was about Donald J. Trump making a Trade Deal with China and Mexico (An EXAMPLE of course to prove a point). So, Trump moves in and puts pressure on both China and Mexico by threatening to tear up the previous trade deals. Then he gets Concessions and makes NEW DEALS that benefit the USA a few years later. Were there TRADE DEALS in place before Trump? Of course there were, and thus THAT IS MY POINT.

Any prophecy telling about the final trade deal would more than likely reference the original deal he WIPED OUT. Alas, that is what happens with the Anti-Christ, he AFFIRMS, or Strong Arms the other group of people, but nowhere does it say that these MANY NATIONS had not already entered into agreements, it just states he AFFIRMS (STRONG ARMS) these agreements. Satan is a brilliant tactician, don't kid yourself, if I understand it would put the Anti-Christ in a better position to have a trade pact with these nations for a long period of time to get them used to the teat/money/sweet stuff, then Satan knows this also. He gets them hooked on the money, and the idea of belonging to the E.U. one day, then he places CONDITIONS on all these freebies and on the possibility of joining the E.U. community, and on being a trading partner with the E.U. That is when he forces concessions. AFFIRMS........STRONG ARMS them, like Trump did China and Mexico.

Israel-centric, not Euro-centric. And it will be a strengthening of an existing agreement, not forcing into an agreement.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus stated that the reason he gave he disciples parables is so the world hearing would not hear and seeing would not see. Seems you are bogged down in what the world sees, when you should be able to see what the body of Christ sees. 

Because I don't agree does not mean I'm stuck. That's a sure sign of a church leader. Shame those who disagree.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You don't decipher it correctly, mostly because you have a spirit that God always called Israel out about, being stiff-necked. Its really just pride brother. I am glad when God proves me wrong, because I know I am learning, so, over time I learned how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit clearly, and not fight Him as He was trying to teach me.  I used to hold on to MY BELIEFS the same way you do now.

You aren't the arbiter of what is or is not correct but you do have the shaming bit down cold. Calling me stiff necked, prideful, rebellious pointing out my wallowing in incorrect beliefs, I have an evil spirit, etc.

Nice.