Why can’t the CHURCH be in part of the 70th week?

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

The wrath of God does not occur during the great tribulation. The great tribulation is the 5th seal and the wrath of God does not begin until the 1st trump is blown after the 7th seal is opened.

WHICH "great tribulation?" John mentions 2 and Jesus another. 
1. The GT that would come upon the harlot if she did not repent.
2. The GT of the entire church age
3. The GT Jesus spoke of that would not begin until AFTER the Abomination.  

[The Light]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

WHICH "great tribulation?" John mentions 2 and Jesus another. 
1. The GT that would come upon the harlot if she did not repent.
2. The GT of the entire church age
3. The GT Jesus spoke of that would not begin until AFTER the Abomination.  

I am only aware of one great tribulation. Can you produce the Biblical verses that prove there are three?

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, The Light said:

I am only aware of one great tribulation. Can you produce the Biblical verses that prove there are three?

Maybe that is why we always disagree.
1. The GT that would come upon the harlot if she did not repent. (Rev. 2)
2. The GT of the entire church age (Rev. 7)
3. The GT Jesus spoke of that would not begin until AFTER the Abomination.  (Mat. 24)

They are not all speaking of the same period of time.

Edited September 25, 2020 by iamlamad

[Biblican]

I agree. The wrath of God is poured out after the "tribulation of those days" as Jesus said in Matthew 24.  This would occur after He sends His angels to gather His elect. However, I don't see the seven trumpets as being part of the tribulation. Jesus saw the tribulation beginning after the antichrist is revealed, which would occur after the last trumpet sounds. Everything up to that point is part of "the beginning of sorrows." Trumpets in the scriptures are used to announce religious assemblies and before a war. In Revelation's context this would indicate a warning before a war or tribulation. The judgments that are released during this period before the tribulation starts are progressive and they are mostly environmental affecting 1/3rd of the planet in chapter eight to 100% in chapter sixteen.  We are entering a debris field now and when the burning mountain/asteroid falls into the ocean(Rev. 8:8) we'll know for sure we are in that last period of warning before the antichrist is revealed. That's my take on it anyway. Have a blessed day.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Maybe that is why we always disagree.
1. The GT that would come upon the harlot if she did not repent. (Rev. 2)
2. The GT of the entire church age (Rev. 7)
3. The GT Jesus spoke of that would not begin until AFTER the Abomination.  (Mat. 24)

They are not all speaking of the same period of time.

There is one "Great Tribulation".

Not only do we see it mentioned in those verses but we can see it in Dan 12, Rev 14, Rev 15 and other places. But you won't understand these things until you realize that the 70th week is over before the wrath of God begins.

[iamlamad]

Just now, The Light said:

There is one "Great Tribulation".

Not only do we see it mentioned in those verses but we can see it in Dan 12, Rev 14, Rev 15 and other places. But you won't understand these things until you realize that the 70th week is over before the wrath of God begins.

I just showed you three - oh Ye of little faith! THREE! 

Yes, the one in Dan. 12 is the very same one Jesus spoke of - where He comes immediately after.
The one told about in Rev. 14 & 15, still the same one Jesus spoke of- where He comes immediately after.

It is NOT THE SAME one as told in Rev. 7. Anyone should know, something in chapter 7 of Revelation is not going to happen at the same time as something in chapter's 14 & 15. One is BEFORE the 70th week, the other is LATE in the 70th week. 

You won't understand these things until you realize that the God's wrath begins before any part of the 70th week and continues through the entire week, and beyond. 

Always remember, ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology will be proven wrong. Your theory totally destroys John's chronology. Your theory will be proven wrong. 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I just showed you three - oh Ye of little faith! THREE! 

Yes, the one in Dan. 12 is the very same one Jesus spoke of - where He comes immediately after.
The one told about in Rev. 14 & 15, still the same one Jesus spoke of- where He comes immediately after.

It is NOT THE SAME one as told in Rev. 7. Anyone should know, something in chapter 7 of Revelation is not going to happen at the same time as something in chapter's 14 & 15. One is BEFORE the 70th week, the other is LATE in the 70th week. 

You won't understand these things until you realize that the God's wrath begins before any part of the 70th week and continues through the entire week, and beyond. 

Always remember, ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology will be proven wrong. Your theory totally destroys John's chronology. Your theory will be proven wrong. 

I just don't think you are going to understand.

Go back and read Genesis 7 and let me know how many floods there are.

There is one great tribulation. There is one world wide flood.

Edited September 25, 2020 by The Light

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

I just don't think you are going to understand.

Go back and read Genesis 7 and let me know how many floods there are.

There is one great tribulation. There is one world wide flood.

I just don't think you are going to understand.  This seems to be the typical response when  other refuse to believe something contrary to what is written. 

Since you are quick to align verses that don't fit, such as the cosmic signs after the trib (mat 24) and the cosmic signs at the 6th seal, go ahead and combine something that comes late in the week (GT) with something before the week (the church age  called "the GT"). Maybe most readers won't notice. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by iamlamad

[The Light]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I just don't think you are going to understand.  This seems to be the typical response when  other refuse to believe something contrary to what is written. 

Since you are quick to align verses that don't fit, such as the cosmic signs after the trib (mat 24) and the cosmic signs at the 6th seal, go ahead and combine something that comes late in the week (GT) with something before the week (the church age  called "the GT"). Maybe most readers won't notice. 

The cosmic signs in Matthew 24 are the Cosmic signs at the 6th seal. John agrees with what Jesus said.

And the great tribulation in Matt 24 is the same great tribulation that occurs at the 5th seal which is confirmed by those that come out of great tribulation in Rev 7.

Edited September 25, 2020 by The Light

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

The cosmic signs in Matthew 24 are the Cosmic signs at the 6th seal. John agrees with what Jesus said.

And the great tribulation in Matt 24 is the same great tribulation that occurs at the 5th seal which is confirmed by those that come out of great tribulation in Rev 7.

Go ahead on, just IGNORE time! You amaze me!