Great Tribulation

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

I don't mean to start a discussion on the weather. It's an example of manipulation by the Instrumentality and we see it in most of the so called 'science'.

Yes, and those that do not agree are terminally forgotten in our '19 second soundbite society'.

Take the arguments from silence. These are all over the scriptures. Yet many think that the scriptures are an exhaustive commentary about everything when they are not.

[JohnR7]

23 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Science has replaced the fundamentals with equations; equations which can be manipulated in many ways for any answer we so choose. 

Spoken like true armchair philosophy. Some of us function in the real world and I did construction work for many years. You have to get it right and you can not fudge the results. Esp NASA where people actually die if you do not get it right. I have a friend that works on a machine that has to be accurate with in millionths of a unit. The humidity and temp of the factory is a factor to determine if the product works or not. Of course it is common for a machine to put out junk until you get it up and running in it's zone or allowable limits. 

 

29 minutes ago, Diaste said:

global warming

Global warming has to do with melting the ice cap so they can extract the oil so we are not dependant on the Arabs for our oil supply. I know people that do that stuff for a living and they could go to jail for a year if they ever tell anyone what their work is. 

As a general rule science is neutral. You can use it for good and you can use it for evil. I sold knives for many years and I have put a lot of thought into this.  The knives I sold I wanted to be sure people made all the right choices and used them for good and not evil. Although I sold a LOT of hunting knives so a lot of animals were killed with those knives. I got a vision of all the blood once.  Not my cup of tea when a knife is a tool used to build a dwelling or shelter for people to live in and protect themselves from the elements. 

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Tell me how there's an average global temp that's meaningful across different climates

The air temp is not changing it is the water temp and then only a degree or two. In some ways this is an advantage, food grows in that ocean and at the warmer temps some things prosper and people are getting fed. There is a 50 degree difference from the poles and the equator. So most of our weather is a result of the temp trying to equalize itself though the currents in the ocean. When cold air and hot air crash we know that creates high winds and dangerous weather.  Today they have weather warriors that pray to calm the storms and send them back out into the ocean. Although there is so much sin in New Orleans so they do not seem to be able to control the storms there. 

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

 

Take the arguments from silence. These are all over the scriptures. Yet many think that the scriptures are an exhaustive commentary about everything when they are not.

Very true. It's like a drug for some people as they get make stuff up and form a doctrine. One of the reasons I don't listen to many sermons.

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Spoken like true armchair philosophy. Some of us function in the real world and I did construction work for many years. You have to get it right and you can not fudge the results. Esp NASA where people actually die if you do not get it right. I have a friend that works on a machine that has to be accurate with in millionths of a unit. The humidity and temp of the factory is a factor to determine if the product works or not. Of course it is common for a machine to put out junk until you get it up and running in it's zone or allowable limits. 

Since this is a subject with which I'm well acquainted lets go there. I built homes for over two decades and used trig functions and geometry on a daily basis. I had to lay out and calculate for basic shapes as well as hex, octagon, circles and arcs, many, many times. One thing most don't realize when using trig functions to solve geometric shapes is length is a huge factor. In a right triangle for instance if the base is 5' long and the leg is 1" high the hypotenuse is 60.0083" That's the same length as the base of the triangle and impossible to measure with a 25' Stanley. That's real world confirmed by:

"The angles involved in these calculations are very small and thus difficult to measure. The nearest star to the Sun (and thus the star with the largest parallax), Proxima Centauri, has a parallax of 0.7687 ± 0.0003 arcsec. This angle is approximately that subtended by an object 2 centimeters in diameter located 5.3 kilometers away."

The above means the calculations for the distance of the star ends at the assumed distance of the star. You'll say no, that's based on parallax and one astronomical unit but it's really only a confirmation of what was assumed since parallax is sketchy and hard to observe or measure as it's so very small relatively.  I worked the math backward and forward over the years and this is a very simple formula easy calculation.

It's also an assumption the sun is at a great distance. One wonders how Eratosthenes knew the sun was so far away the photons must all be parallel when striking the earth, all simple observation aside. Eratosthenes also must have assumed the earth was a sphere without any observable evidence. The same measurements Eratosthenes recorded can be used to find the distance of the sun if the assumption is a flat plane. I have done both calcs confirming Eratosthenes was correct if the shape of the earth is assumed to be a sphere. Since he had no observable evidence of the shape I wonder about motivation.

Currently I am at the controls of a million dollar Mazak 4500M and have operated many CNC machines in the last 12 years both in production and at the moment a custom shop. I fully understand the processes.

Everything you mentioned is observable, testable and repeatable by anyone; 'science' wants us to take parallax, distances, shapes, climate and weather conclusions on the faith they are being truthful.  Tweak a variable, drop a negative, assume, math can conclude anything in the self fulfilling prophecies of the Instrumentality.

And Epstein didn't kill himself.

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The air temp is not changing it is the water temp and then only a degree or two. In some ways this is an advantage, food grows in that ocean and at the warmer temps some things prosper and people are getting fed. There is a 50 degree difference from the poles and the equator. So most of our weather is a result of the temp trying to equalize itself though the currents in the ocean. When cold air and hot air crash we know that creates high winds and dangerous weather.  Today they have weather warriors that pray to calm the storms and send them back out into the ocean. Although there is so much sin in New Orleans so they do not seem to be able to control the storms there. 

That does not address the problem of averaging temps in the US between arctic conditions in Alaska and the sub tropical temps in Florida with this same problem across the globe; air or water. 

 

[Uriah]

Wow guys, some interesting stuff said lately. The kind of things I have been studying up on for some time now. but I don't want to change the subject of the thread. Its just that some of the references are directly from a branch of science that is slowly undergoing an upgrade while the old school refuses to let go. 

I do however see that the the subject matter pertains to biblical relevance. And the wild card of man's preferences in the mix still doesn't go away.

[Uriah]

I think the OP gets it wrong. The events of 70 A.D. were horrific, yet the tribulation described in Revelation is much worse in scale.

[JohnR7]

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

That does not address the problem of averaging temps in the US between arctic conditions in Alaska and the sub tropical temps in Florida with this same problem across the globe; air or water. 

 

What is the problem?  There are prayer warriors in Florida that seem to be able to keep their state safe from the effects of the weather. Jesus teaches us to pray to calm the storm.  If the liberals are having problems then maybe they need to repent of their sin and turn back to God & His ways. The problem may not be a problem so much as a warning that people need to repent. 

[JohnR7]

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

Since this is a subject with which I'm well acquainted lets go there. I built homes for over two decades and used trig functions and geometry on a daily basis.

I did construction work also for at least 20 or 30 years. Just about all of the carpenters I worked with had about an 8th grade education in math. Some of the amish carpenters barely have a fifth grade education. What you are trying to do is convince me that you with your eighth grade level of math know more then the guy with a PhD in Astrophysics. 

Both my son's are engineers - so I know how advanced the math is they can do. We do not come anywhere near that doing construction work. But you can believe whatever you want to believe. This only becomes an issue if we cause others to stumble. Then God will hold us accountable. 

[DeighAnn]

 20  For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


1961 HAYAH -  to fall out, come to pass, become, be

8414  TOHU - formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

922  BOHU - emptiness

5921  AL - upon, above, over 

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And there we have A FACT.  



Genesis 1:2 And the earth 1961 8414, and 922; and darkness 5921 the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

(AND THE EARTH BECAME FORMLESS AND VOID AND DARKNESS UPON...ANOTHER/A DIFFERENT FACT)



God gives us A WITNESS to those being separate and different FACTs in no uncertain terms here in

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it NOT in 8414, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


IF WE NEED MORE because we doubt the truth of Gods Word we are given

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

 

Where we can SEE, NOT DONE IN DARKNESS as GOD IS LIGHT.  


SO, what we can KNOW FOR SURE AND TRUE IS THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE THE EARTH FORMLESS AND VOID AND IN DARKNESS.  And HE TELLS US "it BECAME that way".  


And now, BY GODS WORDS is there an explanation OF how THE SERPENT is a serpent in the garden.


Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

There IS no time/age
OTHER THAN A TIME/age BEFORE THIS ONE,
for THAT TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE. 
PERIOD. 


GO TO THE HEBREW then argue the FACTS, not THOUGHTS.

And ask yourself "wouldn't it be DECEPTIVE on GODS PART to create an earth that only 'LOOKED OLD',  but in fact wasn't??  


Theology - study of Gods Words
Science - study of Gods Works