Understanding the timing of the rapture is too easy

[kenny2212]

We can deduce the timing of the rapture by understanding the purpose the rapture serves...

First off, the rapture will happen because it's in the bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 -  According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord,^(A) will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.^(B) 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,^(C) with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel^(D) and with the trumpet call of God,^(E) and the dead in Christ will rise first.^(F) 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

The first question we need to ask ourselves is "why does the rapture have to happen?" 

The answer to this question is in the passage above - 

Verse 17 - After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

So the purpose of the rapture is our being with the Lord. The Lord wants us to be with him that's why he raptures us.

Why doesn't he just make all  Christians die?

Because death opposes all of what God is. Remember God put the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

Now to the answer concerning the timing of the rapture - 

If God raptures some, then in the same vein he decrees "death" for the others. GOD NEVER WISHES DEATH FOR ANY OF HIS CHILDREN. If God raptures us post-trib what the usefulness in that? Why would you marry a battered-up bride? I know Christians suffer persecution now but when God wants to start to judge Christians won't be here. We won't be here so that man won't be able to persecute us. God doesn't want us to bear the brunt of man's anger that he's punishing them. 

 

So the rapture could either be pre-trib or pre-wrath. 

I tend more towards pre-wrath.

PS - If anyone has any question please feel free to ask.

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 12, 2020 by kenny2212

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

Why doesn't he just make all  Christians die?

Because death opposes all of what God is. Remember God put the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

We do die at the Rapture, no sin nature can enter heaven. What do you think it means when the bible states that we will be "CHANGED" in the blink of an eye brother? It means we change from flesh men into spirit men, just like those that arise out of the grave incorruptible (WITHOUT FLESH, of course) as spirit men. We do not go to Heaven in these flesh bodies. After Jesus arose in John chapter 20, he told Mary, touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Her mere touching him would have defiled the Sacrificial offering. Reread 1 Cor. 15 brother, and pay close attention. We change from flesh beings to spirit men in a FLASH, and that simply means we all die and go to Heaven as spirit men.

10 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

If God raptures some, then in the same vein he decrees "death" for the others. GOD NEVER WISHES DEATH FOR ANY OF HIS CHILDREN. If God raptures us post-trib what the usefulness in that? Why would you marry a battered-up bride? I know Christians suffer persecution now but when God wants to start to judge Christians won't be here. We won't be here so that man won't be able to persecute us. God doesn't want us to bear the brunt of man's anger that he's punishing them. 

 

The Bride and Groom in Jewish tradition stay in the Marriage Chambers 7 days (7 years). The Jews are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The Jews still need to repent as a Nation, the Rapture (1 billion -2 billion Christians all die at once) of the Church no doubt will get them to thinking, but only if we present it as it actually happens, we do not fly off in the sky, we leave as spirit men. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Revelation Man

[kenny2212]

Agreed, Revelation Man. If we die and are not resurrected or "changed", we remain disembodied spirits and don't get to enjoy the gifts of God such as eating (Luke 24:36-43).

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Bride and Groom in Jewish tradition stay in the Marriage Chambers 7 days (7 years). The Jews are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The Jews still need to repent as a Nation, the Rapture (1 billion -2 billion Christians all die at once) of the Church no doubt will get them to thinking, but only if we present it as it actually happens, we do nit fly off in the sky, we leave as spirit men. 

Thanks for your input, Revelation Man. I really appreciate it.

Edited October 12, 2020 by kenny2212

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We do die at the Rapture, no sin nature can enter heaven. What do you think it means when the bible states that we will be "CHANGED" in the blink of an eye brother? It means we change from flesh men into spirit men, just like those that arise out of the grave incorruptible (WITHOUT FLESH, of course) as spirit men. We do not go to Heaven in these flesh bodies. After Jesus arose in John chapter 20, he told Mary, touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Her mere touching him would have defiled the Sacrificial offering. Reread 1 Cor. 15 brother, and pay close attention. We change from flesh beings to spirit men in a FLASH, and that simply means we all die and go to Heaven as spirit men.

The Bride and Groom in Jewish tradition stay in the Marriage Chambers 7 days (7 years). The Jews are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The Jews still need to repent as a Nation, the Rapture (1 billion -2 billion Christians all die at once) of the Church no doubt will get them to thinking, but only if we present it as it actually happens, we do not fly off in the sky, we leave as spirit men. 

1 Thes 4:16 the death will rise first cant u see that ? Then those who are alive n remain Will follow them to the cloud to meet Jesus.

Edited October 12, 2020 by R. Hartono

[kenny2212]

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We do die at the Rapture, no sin nature can enter heaven. What do you think it means when the bible states that we will be "CHANGED" in the blink of an eye brother? It means we change from flesh men into spirit men, just like those that arise out of the grave incorruptible (WITHOUT FLESH, of course) as spirit men. We do not go to Heaven in these flesh bodies. After Jesus arose in John chapter 20, he told Mary, touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Her mere touching him would have defiled the Sacrificial offering. Reread 1 Cor. 15 brother, and pay close attention. We change from flesh beings to spirit men in a FLASH, and that simply means we all die and go to Heaven as spirit men

Hartono, I think what RM is trying to say is that our present physical flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. I think RM should have used the word "die" in inverted commas. Actually, we get changed at the rapture. I don't like to be too rigid with my opinions; "die", "changed" I assume RM got the message. Thanks for your input, Hartono.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, kenny2212 said:

On 10/12/2020 at 2:19 AM, kenny2212 said:

We can deduce the timing of the rapture by understanding the purpose the rapture serves...

First off, the rapture will happen because it's in the bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 -  According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord,^(A) will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.^(B) 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,^(C) with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel^(D) and with the trumpet call of God,^(E) and the dead in Christ will rise first.^(F) 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

The first question we need to ask ourselves is "why does the rapture have to happen?" 

The answer to this question is in the passage above - 

Verse 17 - After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

So the purpose of the rapture is our being with the Lord. The Lord wants us to be with him that's why he raptures us.

Why doesn't he just make all  Christians die?

Because death opposes all of what God is. Remember God put the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

Now to the answer concerning the timing of the rapture - 

If God raptures some, then in the same vein he decrees "death" for the others. GOD NEVER WISHES DEATH FOR ANY OF HIS CHILDREN. If God raptures us post-trib what the usefulness in that? Why would you marry a battered-up bride? I know Christians suffer persecution now but when God wants to start to judge Christians won't be here. We won't be here so that man won't be able to persecute us. God doesn't want us to bear the brunt of man's anger that he's punishing them. 

 

So the rapture could either be pre-trib or pre-wrath. 

I tend more towards pre-wrath.

PS - If anyone has any question please feel free to ask.

 

 

 

 

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According to the verse you posted, we will not precede those who sleep in the dust. That is the resurection. 

According to revelation, the first resurection happens to those who were killed for thier witness of Christ and who had not worshiped the beast or his image. 

That would place it after the tribulation of those who do not worship the beast. I believe it would take place pre wrath. Maybe a split second before those who do worship the beast are punished. 

It's possibly someone can put on immortality just before being cast into a furnace. Those who can't be destroyed won't be. 

I wouldn't say God doesnt not want his children to die. There was this guy named Jesus who did the will of God and he died because it was God's will. 

 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[Speks]

Believers have never known when the day of the Lord will be, so the most important question is: 

What sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness? (See 2nd Peter 3:11.)

[Moby]

On 10/12/2020 at 2:19 AM, kenny2212 said:

We can deduce the timing of the rapture by understanding the purpose the rapture serves...

First off, the rapture will happen because it's in the bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 -  According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord,^(A) will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.^(B) 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven,^(C) with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel^(D) and with the trumpet call of God,^(E) and the dead in Christ will rise first.^(F) 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

The first question we need to ask ourselves is "why does the rapture have to happen?" 

The answer to this question is in the passage above - 

Verse 17 - After that, we who are still alive and are left^(G) will be caught up together with them in the clouds^(H) to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord^(I) forever.

So the purpose of the rapture is our being with the Lord. The Lord wants us to be with him that's why he raptures us.

Why doesn't he just make all  Christians die?

Because death opposes all of what God is. Remember God put the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

Now to the answer concerning the timing of the rapture - 

If God raptures some, then in the same vein he decrees "death" for the others. GOD NEVER WISHES DEATH FOR ANY OF HIS CHILDREN. If God raptures us post-trib what the usefulness in that? Why would you marry a battered-up bride? I know Christians suffer persecution now but when God wants to start to judge Christians won't be here. We won't be here so that man won't be able to persecute us. God doesn't want us to bear the brunt of man's anger that he's punishing them.

So the rapture could either be pre-trib or pre-wrath. 

I tend more towards pre-wrath.

PS - If anyone has any question please feel free to ask....

You are correct brother in your leaning toward a prewrath as this teaching will clearly prove:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

[kenny2212]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I wouldn't say God doesnt not want his children to die. There was this guy named Jesus who did the will of God and he died because it was God's will. 

 

Yes, Jesus did die but he didn't stay dead. It all boils down to the fact that God wants us to live in a body, albeit eternal and glorified. That's why he put the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

[Revelation Man]

The FIRST Resurrection is all those in Christ, it happens over 7 years. People do not think as God thinks. God thinks the Resurrection of LIFE vs. the Resurrection of DEATH.

The RESERRECTION OF LIFE = The Rapture, then those who are Alive get taken to Heaven after we shed out earthly bodies () via the call of the Trump. Then 7 years later when we return with Jesus he Judges the Martyrs (Rev. 20:4) who are raised (of course) at that time, and of course all the Saints lie Daniel were told they will be RAISED at the very end to stand in their lots. 

The RESSURECTION OF DEATH = All those raised, judged and cast into hell fire, 1000 years after the Second Coming.