Understanding the timing of the rapture is too easy

[DeighAnn]

On 10/12/2020 at 7:32 AM, Revelation Man said:

The Bride and Groom in Jewish tradition stay in the Marriage Chambers 7 days (7 years). The Jews are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The Jews still need to repent as a Nation, the Rapture (1 billion -2 billion Christians all die at once) of the Church no doubt will get them to thinking, but only if we present it as it actually happens, we do not fly off in the sky, we leave as spirit men. 

Why is " Jewish tradition"  being applied to the "gentile church" for this argument?  Is this "tradition" you are using decreed by God or man?

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Why is " Jewish tradition"  being applied to the "gentile church" for this argument?  Is this "tradition" you are using decreed by God or man?

Its not a Gentile Church per se, Jews and Gentiles are in the Church, of course, Jesus is a Jew right? So we have a Jewish Groom. But that's not even the point, the point is he's planned these things out where we can figure them out by using old Jewish Customs in many cases. People can understand this via reading the scriptures. The Last Trump has noting to do with a Trumpet Judgments, its speaking about the Feast of Trumps that ENDS THE HARVEST. We are in the Harvest/Pentecost now, the Last Trump is Jesus calling the Church to the marriage chambers in Heaven (In my Fathers house are many mansions I go to prepare a place for you.) The Jewish Bride is mentioned throughout the New Testament by Jesus to teach us the things to come. 

[DeighAnn]

On 10/18/2020 at 12:08 PM, Revelation Man said:

Its not a Gentile Church per se, Jews and Gentiles are in the Church, of course, Jesus is a Jew right? So we have a Jewish Groom. But that's not even the point, the point is he's planned these things out where we can figure them out by using old Jewish Customs in many cases. People can understand this via reading the scriptures. The Last Trump has noting to do with a Trumpet Judgments, its speaking about the Feast of Trumps that ENDS THE HARVEST. We are in the Harvest/Pentecost now, the Last Trump is Jesus calling the Church to the marriage chambers in Heaven (In my Fathers house are many mansions I go to prepare a place for you.) The Jewish Bride is mentioned throughout the New Testament by Jesus to teach us the things to come. 

Where is it WRITTEN?  Jesus never said it.  Nor Paul, Peter, John or any others. 

It is an "IDEA" that comes FROM MAN,  if it isn't written.  But of course you won't give any scripture because there isn't any.  Once you have "assumed" the first time it seems to just get easier to continue down that path to where you are assuming and changing most things and can't even see how far you have gone off the path.  God is in charge.  God tells us that we will suffer. 

God doesn't say all will WITH THE EXCEPTION OF the last generation.  God tells us that it is good for us.  God tells us to stand overcome endure to the end, it's some men that don't want to so they try to get others to not want to also.  If Revelation is written to the churches and they aren't going to be here then WHAT IS THE POINT??  Is it written to THOSE WHO WILL NEVER READ IT??   Have you read the description of the churches?  Do they seem ready to be priests and reign for 1000 yrs?  

How do you account for all those things written that go against it?  Is making the word of God void OK?

Pre tribs can't even get together on the "theory".  Some say it is just the "gentile church" some say it is "some of the churches" some say it is "all Christians"  some say it is "for the wedding" some say it is just to "escape" these things.  BUT GODS WORD doesn't say any of those things.  

If people could understand by just reading the scriptures then there would not be those who read the scripture and never see it or see the exact opposite.  





 

[R. Hartono]

On 10/18/2020 at 10:59 PM, DeighAnn said:

Why is " Jewish tradition"  being applied to the "gentile church" for this argument?  Is this "tradition" you are using decreed by God or man?

Gentiles church are spiritual Israel.

[Revelation Man]

On 10/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, DeighAnn said:

How do you account for all those things written that go against it?  Is making the word of God void OK?

For starters, nothing goes against the Pre trib PERIOD, its just you are misinformed. 

On 10/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, DeighAnn said:

Pre tribs can't even get together on the "theory".  Some say it is just the "gentile church" some say it is "some of the churches" some say it is "all Christians"  some say it is "for the wedding" some say it is just to "escape" these things.  BUT GODS WORD doesn't say any of those things.  

If people could understand by just reading the scriptures then there would not be those who read the scripture and never see it or see the exact opposite.  

Secondly its not a "THEORY" its a FACT. And no one I know doesn't understand who it is, the reason you don't is you do not understand the Rapture TIME STAMP as being all Christians in Christ, both DEAD & ALIVE who are taken at that point in time. Then ALL who come to Christ after the Rapture will be the Remnant Church, there are consequences for not being AWAKE like Jesus warned us to be, which means to be in the LIGHT or in Christ Jesus. Its you who can't grasp that, not anyone I know sister. The Jews who come unto Christ BEFORE the Rapture will all be taken also, but the Jews who come unto Christ AFTER the Rapture will be PROTECTED, because Jesus is going to rule from Jerusalem with the Jews and God promised Abraham he would have a continual seed on earth.

On 10/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, DeighAnn said:

Where is it WRITTEN?  Jesus never said it.  Nor Paul, Peter, John or any others. 

You have a hard time understanding the simple verses sister, you have an opinion, and it seemingly locks you in to an answer, even though its thr wrong answer in this situation. What did Paul say about the Rapture? 

He said, I tell you a MYSTERY (Musterion in the Greek) which means via a Greek Word Study, in essence, A secret by Gods Silence via Him SHUTTING the Mouth. Or, in other words, something God has not heretofore told us. So, Paul says, I tell you a Mystery, its about the Rapture and he explains, so right here in 1 Cor. 15 God is telling us He's never given this Rapture understanding unto the Jews because its not really for the Jews per se, but for the Church which will mostly be Gentiles, but also some along the way Jews of course.

So, why would God have told Israel about a coming Rapture when He knows they will REJECT Jesus and will not as a Nation ACCEPT Jesus until the middle of the 70th week? After the Rapture. Sure, some Jews are a part of the Church of Christ, but they can be taught at the same time the Gentiles are being taught, which is what Paul is doing in 1 Cor. 15. Thus, you have your answer, the Rapture was given to Paul for the Church which is MOSTLY Gentiles. That is why its not in the Old Testament. Why is this so hard to comprehend sister? 

Now, we see that the Rapture happens at the EXACT SAME TIME as the dead in Christ being called home. We are told in 2 Thess. 2 that we are not to FEAR being in the Day of the Lord God's Wrath because the Church will DEPART before the Man of Sin AND before the DOTL comes or falls on mankind. Verse 1 tells us we will be gathered, its pointing to THE RAPTURE/Departure. Thus Paul tells them not to fear being in God's Wrath.

God tells us many things in scriptures that is secretive in nature like Daniel and the book of Revelation, Jesus told  the Disciples parables so the world hearing would not hear and seeing would not see, but we could understand. Likewise, in Daniel, Revelation and Prophecy, if we learn to HEAR God and see His Holy Writ in the proper light, we can see things that HAS TO HAPPEN, and its nit really that complicated. 

For starters, we return from Heaven with Jesus Christ while the Beast is STILL ON EARTH. (Rev 19) We are seen in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened, why doesn't that register sister ? Who are THE REDEEMED in Rev. 5:9:10 ? It's the Church, not Angels, so the Church is in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are EVER OPENED. There are only a few verses in which Paul speaks about the Rapture, and Satan tries his best of course to confuse, as if its a DEPARTURE of the Faith, which makes ZERO SENSE in the passage, when its really about the Church DEPARTING, which makes perfect sense because 1.) We are Raptured, Rev. 4, 5 and 19 proves it. 2.) Jesus' return can't be IMMINENT unless it happens BEFORE the Second Coming, because at the 2nd Coming there is a COUNTDOWN, the Beast is allowed to rule EXACTLY 1260 days. People on earth will be able to see the Armies building up just before Jesus Returns. Rev. 19 tells you that "WE" return with Jesus. 

Paul says in Romans that the Jews will not live in FAITH again until the Time of the Gentiles are fulfilled. What is left in the Time of the Jews? They have ONE WEEK left for punishment, Judgment, the Jews have to repent during that final week. 

On 10/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, DeighAnn said:

It is an "IDEA" that comes FROM MAN,  if it isn't written.  But of course you won't give any scripture because there isn't any.  Once you have "assumed" the first time it seems to just get easier to continue down that path to where you are assuming and changing most things and can't even see how far you have gone off the path.  God is in charge.  God tells us that we will suffer. 

Maybe you need to put it together sister. God doesn't just come down and explain everything unto us, we have to study and pray on these things. 

On 10/20/2020 at 11:13 AM, DeighAnn said:

God doesn't say all will WITH THE EXCEPTION OF the last generation.  God tells us that it is good for us.  God tells us to stand overcome endure to the end, it's some men that don't want to so they try to get others to not want to also.  If Revelation is written to the churches and they aren't going to be here then WHAT IS THE POINT??  Is it written to THOSE WHO WILL NEVER READ IT??   Have you read the description of the churches?  Do they seem ready to be priests and reign for 1000 yrs?  

How do you account for all those things written that go against it?  Is making the word of God void OK?

Jesus in Matthew 24 is talking about us EBDURING to the end of ones life, not enduring 70th week troubles. Not understanding that Matt. 24:4-6 is about the 70 AD Event, and that verses 7-14 are about the Church Age events. And that verses 15-31 are about the 70th week, will really throw one off kilter. So, those that are to ENDURE are all those who live during the Church Age which we are in now, we have to ENDURE until the end of our life, Paul said the same thing in so many words, we have to RUN THE WHOLE RACE TO THE END !!

You think Jesus was speaking about overcoming END TIMES in Matthew 24:13, but he wasn't speaking of the END TIMES, but about one staying in Christ until the end of ones life, because in verses 9 and 10 he just told all the Disciples they would all be killed (save John). 

Their will be Christians ON EARTH who come unto Christ Jesus AFTER the Rapture. Revelation is telling us what happens. Rev. 2 and 3 ends with the RAPTURE, see Rv. 4:1, Jesus calls us to COME UP HERE. 

Nothing goes against it, on the contrary, all scriptures point to a pre trib Rapture. 

God Bless.  

Edited October 22, 2020 by Revelation Man

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Gentiles church are spiritual Israel.

What I am saying is, there no "Gentile" church. 

There is the church begun by Christ who sent the apostles to the lost sheep.  Then salvation was opened up to the nations/ethnos/ gentiles and they were to be grafted INTO that church, thus becoming Christians themselves.  

So, a gentile is only a gentile until that gentile becomes a Christian.  

So there is NO "gentile" church to be grafted into, they are grafted into the body of Christ.   The New Covenant Church.  


So, in reality, it is the "Christian" Church. 
 

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


But you know how that pesky doctrine makes demands of separating what God has brought together.  Or gathering before by using a different words.  Or not letting the power of God protect and keep us from wrath without a trip to heaven, skipping tribulation, which refines and makes perfect and teaches obedience and it did the SON whom we are to be like, not to mention death and judgment which is appointed to all men, except of course "the theory ones" (so much for God is just, huh?),  and trying to make those who are called, as those who are chosen.  And, Changing the word of God to the assumptions of man by assigning feasts and harvests for justification and on and on.  I digress....


Could it be made any clearer that gentiles are NOT the church?  by 

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

Jews.  Believers in God not Christ

Gentiles NON believers in God or Christ

Church of God Believers in God and Christ.  

1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Not letting the power of God protect and keep us from wrath without a trip to heaven, skipping tribulation, which refines and makes perfect and teaches obedience and it did the SON whom we are to be like, not to mention death and judgment which is appointed to all men, except of course "the theory ones" (so much for God is just, huh?),  and trying to make those who are called, as those who are chosen.  And, Changing the word of God to the assumptions of man by assigning feasts and harvests for justification and on and on.  I digress....

Could it be made any clearer that gentiles are NOT the church?  by 

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

Jews.  Believers in God not Christ

Gentiles NON believers in God or Christ

Church of God Believers in God and Christ.  

1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

The wise virgins are taken to the Feast of the Lamb but the foolish were left behind and screamed "Loord Loord take us in" but they are left behind n they know the horror is coming to the world.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

or starters, nothing goes against the Pre trib PERIOD, its just you are misinformed. 

Just because you say it doesn't make it TRUTH.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Secondly its not a "THEORY" its a FACT.

Is is NOT a fact.  It is a "THEORY" or else there would be no need to make void the word of God, SUCH as  

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him....Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

OR

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

OR

And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath THROUGH HIM.  (not "through rapture")

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

He said, I tell you a MYSTERY

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

THAT'S THE FURTHEREST ONE OUT.  THE LAST ONE. 

2078 eschatos  last, at the last, finally, till the end.     from esxaton -  end, last – properly, last, final (the furthest, extreme-end).

Something else that must be "CHANGED OR EXPLAINED AWAY" -  instead of just taking it as Gods simple Truth.  It must get easier the more one does it.  

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

We are told in 2 Thess. 2 that we are not to FEAR being in the Day of the Lord God's Wrath because the Church will DEPART before the Man of Sin AND before the DOTL comes or falls on mankind.

646 apostasia  defection, apostasy, revolt,   properly  -  departure IMPLYING DESERTION; apostasy – literally,  A LEAVING FROM A PREVIOUS STANDING


NO ONE YOU SHOULD DECEIVE IN NOT ONE WAY BECAUSE IF NOT SHALL HAVE COME THE APOSTASY FIRST AND  SHALL HAVE BEEN REVEALED THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS, THE SON OF DESTRUCTION.  

So,  if I am reading you right the "pre trib rapture" is a defection, a revolt, a leaving from a previous standing.

UNLESS, there is to be change to the word of God here also. 
After all the theory demands more and more of Gods Word being made void and replaced with assumptions of man and backing with harvests and feasts

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Who are THE REDEEMED in Rev. 5:9:10 ?

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

See, the elders are SPEAKING AND CHRIST has just been slain.  NO TIME FOR THE CHURCH BEFORE THAT IS THERE?  THE CHURCH COMES AFTER THE LAMB SLAIN, NOT BEFORE.  


Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We are Raptured, Rev. 4, 5 and 19 proves it.

EXCEPT, IT DOESN'T.  
 
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

AND AFTER THESE THINGS  I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: FOR THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

DOESN'T COME BACK IN 4 AND 5, IT COMES AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF THE WHORE



 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 19 tells you that "WE" return with Jesus. 

only if by "WE" you mean 

 

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

THEY SAY  WE HEAR, DESTRUCTION UPON THEM, THEY DONT ESCAPE IT, WE DO.

1 Thessalonians 5:4 BUT YE BRETHREN ARE NOT IN DARKNESS THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU as a thief.

THAT DAY NOT OVERTAKE YOU "AS A THIEF", BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, THAT DAY IS GOING TO OVERTAKE THE CHURCH.
 

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.


WHAT ARE THOSE OF THE DAY TOLD TO DO?  ANY WEDDING DRESS MENTIONED?  NO, IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE ARMOR, AND YOU DON'T WEAR ARMOR TO A WEDDING YOU WEAR ARMOR TO GO TO WAR.  

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.


ARE WE TO OBTAIN "PRE TRIB RAPTURE"  NO, WE ARE TO OBTAIN SALVATION.  WE WERE JUST TOLD WRATH FALLS ON THEM NOT US.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

AND WILL WE BE AWAKE OR DEAD FOR IT???  DOESN'T SAY AND  DOESN'T MATTER,  AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE FAITH

1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus' return can't be IMMINENT unless it happens BEFORE the Second Coming, because at the 2nd Coming there is a COUNTDOWN, the Beast is allowed to rule EXACTLY 1260 days. People on earth will be able to see the Armies building up just before Jesus Returns. Rev. 19 tells you that "WE" return with Jesus. 

 IMMINENT FROM 95AD TILL NOW...still,  DOESN'T say BEFORE THE BEAST.  That "imminent" is Gods Time, not ours.  

Do you know the day or the hour?   Still no?  Just like God said

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You think Jesus was speaking about overcoming END TIMES in Matthew 24:13, but he wasn't speaking of the END TIMES, but about one staying in Christ until the end of ones life, because in verses 9 and 10 he just told all the Disciples they would all be killed (save John). 

YES, STAYING IN CHRIST UNTIL THE END OF ONES LIFE, TRIBULATION OR NOT.  END TIMES OR NOT.  HE DIDN'T SAY "EXCEPT FOR" ANYWHERE DID HE?  



Christ only comes as a thief to THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW.  


 

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Paul says in Romans that the Jews will not live in FAITH again until the Time of the Gentiles are fulfilled. What is left in the Time of the Jews? They have ONE WEEK left for punishment, Judgment, the Jews have to repent during that final week. 

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Romans 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

 

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

Luke 21:10 Then said He unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Luke 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

Luke 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

Luke 21:15 FOR I WILL GIVE YOU A MOUTH AND WISDOM, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Jerusalem trodden down of the NON BELIEVERS,

until the time of the NON BELIEVERS be fulfilled.  


CHRISTS RETURN IS WHAT WILL END THE NON BELIEVERS TIME AND EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW.  



 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus in Matthew 24 is talking about us EBDURING to the end of ones life, not enduring 70th week troubles.

Really?  Which verse did God use to convey that to you???  Or anywhere for that matter?  Just one verse that says that "tribulation is not for you".  And if  "Not to suffer wrath and kept from" are your go to's, please don't bother.  




 

Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love Him, and to them that keep His commandments;

Daniel 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments

Daniel 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto Thy servants the prophets, which spake in Thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.

Daniel 9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto Thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against Thee.

Daniel 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against Thee.

Daniel 9:9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against Him;

Daniel 9:10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in His laws, which he set before us by His servants the prophets.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey Thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against Him.

Daniel 9:12 And He hath confirmed His words, which He spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand Thy truth.

Daniel 9:14 Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us for the LORD our God is righteous in all His works which He doeth for we obeyed not His voice.

Daniel 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.

Daniel 9:16 O Lord, according to all Thy righteousness, I beseech Thee, let Thine anger and Thy fury be turned away from Thy city Jerusalem, Thy holy mountain because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

Daniel 9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of Thy servant, and his supplications, and cause Thy face to shine upon Thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

Daniel 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by Thy name for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for Thy great mercies.

Daniel 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for Thine own sake, O my God for Thy city and Thy people are called by Thy name.

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Daniel 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

 

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined

upon thy people and
upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and
to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
to anoint the most Holy.


Let's see if I have this right, AS TO your teachings

you believe "thy people" are  the  Jews only and they will be here for this, but

 THE CHURCH will not.
For
the finishing of the transgressions
or the end of sin
or the reconciliation of iniquity
or the bringing in of everlasting righteousness
or for the sealing up of the vision and prophecy 
or for the anointing of the most Holy

I am correct that you believe that THIS is THE WEEK THE CHURCH IS NOT to be A PART OF?



Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[DeighAnn]

On 10/21/2020 at 11:47 PM, R. Hartono said:

The wise virgins are taken to the Feast of the Lamb but the foolish were left behind and screamed "Loord Loord take us in" but they are left behind n they know the horror is coming to the world.

Let's see if this is in fact Gods Truth. 

We are looking for
1.  When the Feast of the Lamb take place and
2.  What happens to the foolish virgins


To make sure I take it as God given, and NOT as some man has tried to explain it,  and to make sure I am not adding or subtracting anything on my own, and using the information in the correct context, I had to go to the parable given before it, 

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
The "goodman" of the house is being told
1.  to watch, keep watch, for a thief that is coming to break up the house or
2. don't watch and the thief will come and suffer the house to be broken into

For me, the FIRST command Jesus gives us when questioned on the subject, "do not be deceived by any man" covers that very well.  I am the Christian, the goodman, the house is my spirit and soul which belongs to God, and I am not to allow a thief in under any circumstances. 
 

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
The Christian must be prepared.  We are told how to be prepared in  2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 
We are given the details of what is coming in many different places and from many different angles so as we will be without excuse.    Put on the gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.  

 

Matthew 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Milk or meat.  Be one of those who "claim" but have no teeth to chew when meat is offered.  

Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Serving the Lord.  Working in the field.  Not being taken by the thief unaware.  (a pre trib rap would call this into question as to when?  who?)

Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
" and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years ".

Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
 

Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The apostasy/great falling away/taking the mark.   
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (OR UNTIL THE DAY CHRIST RETURNS)

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Christ coming in an hour not aware of because they have no armor, they have fallen away from the TRUTH and are being deceived and soon  when "he will be standing where he ought not" and the two witnesses will be killed and in that hour, the True Christ will return.  Only those who know are aware.

Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And those who did not take that first command to heart and find themselves deceived by the beast and the false prophet and Satan...


Matthew 25:1 THEN shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Five of them Studied to show themselves approved, five of the were just "claimers".

Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
The foolish didn't study to show themselves approved, the didn't put on the gospel armor, they are not able to withstand the fiery darts of Satan, they were taught pre trib rap doctrine, so had no idea they could be deceived because they believed they wouldn't be here so they don't need to have oil with them.  

Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
The know that the deceiver is coming to steal their souls, they know taking the mark for buying and selling is coming so they are prepared with Gods instructions on how to get through it in the light of the lamp with enough oil to make it through the night

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Satan is coming first, remember that evil servant who said in their heart.....NOTICE it is DARK

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
In the middle of the night.  Pre trib the sun has not been covered with sackcloth.  It is still light.  Remember what happens when Satan is kicked out of heaven?  Sackcloth covers the sun.  That is the beginning of the "night", all light cut down while he goes out overcoming the earth looking for those to overcome.

Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
And when Satan arrives and it is time to stand, overcome and endure to the end.  They have the extra oil it takes to stay in the light.

Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
The foolish have no idea what is really going on.  They were taught they wouldn't be here.  They have not the knowledge (oil) to get through it.  They look to the wise to give them, but it is too late to receive any oil.  

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  And we are closer to that point every day.  The foolish can't hardly hear Truth even today.  Even when given in the simplicity of Christ.  False doctrines, and teachers not called of God uttering words which deceive and make void Gods Truth, to which they will be held responsible. 

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
And while the foolish were deceived, took the mark, bought and sold, THE TRIBULATION CAME TO AN END BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST IN WHICH the foolish realize they have allowed the thief to break in/to be deceived/have become a PART OF THE GREAT FALLING AWAY/THE APOSTASY.  They have become part of the "dead/spiritually dead" who will not "live/receive immortality" until given a chance once the 1000 years conclude

 WHY THEY CAN'T LIVE/RECEIVE THEIR IMMORTALITY UNTIL THE 1000 YEARS ARE FINISHED?  

(AS TIME IS SO SHORT  AND  BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE THING THAT FOR SURE TELLS US THE CHURCH MUST/WILL GO THROUGH THE TRIBUALTION)

THEY CAN'T "LIVE" UNTIL AFTER SATAN IS LOOSED FOR A SHORT SEASON AT THE END OF THE LORDS DAY

BECAUSE

HE IS LOOSED FOR THE LAST TEST/TRIBULATION BEFORE THE LAKE OF FIRE.  JUST AS WE WILL BE TESTED SOON AND THOSE WHO PASS LIVE AND REIGN FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS.  NO TEST, NO PASS, NO GO  

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Christ arrives and IT IS TOO LATE.  They have failed.  You can't rub off that mark.  THEY ARE no longer VIRGINS.  They have hopped into bed with Satan.  They are with child and giving suck.   They have been unfaithful to the LORD by worshipping Satan/taking the mark.  

Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Be prepared, get prepared now.  

Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Christ in heaven we his servants and HIS WORD delivered for us to pass on.

Matthew 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey
Some He gives lots of responsibility, they best give what is given

Matthew 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Some He gives some

Matthew 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
All receive what is given to be given

Matthew 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
PRE RAPTURE THEORY  keeps the sons of God from TRUTH

Matthew 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Matthew 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matthew 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matthew 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matthew 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
He is coming back to see WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR HIM, not what else He can do for you. 

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Matthew 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
AFRAID.  Needing to "escape".  No faith in the power of God to keep His wrath from you, if you remain on earth.  How sad.  Not studying enough to know what God uses tribulation and all the rest of the distresses for.  Not seeing that GOD HIMSELF SUFFERED in the flesh so NOTHING He is asking of us is anything more than He has done Himself.  But some don't want to be SERVANTS, they just want to be taken care of and party

Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Matthew 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Matthew 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

NO mention of the FEAST anywhere, unless I missed it. 
So once again I go back to (IN SEARCH OF THE FEAST)

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen;

 

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

NOTICE WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY?  A TRIP TO HEAVEN WITHOUT ANY TESTING, NO HE SAYS

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

NOW WE SEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMBS WIFE.  Satan has come, Satan has been bound, Satan has been loosed, Satan has been cast into the lake of fire.  The new heaven and earth are in play, all evil GONE, and New Jerusalem is descending.  NOW WE HAVE A FEAST AND ALL ARE INVITED.  THERE WILL BE NO ONE WITHOUT A WEDDING GARMENT.  

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Let's see if this is in fact Gods Truth. 

We are looking for
1.  When the Feast of the Lamb take place and
2.  What happens to the foolish virgins


To make sure I take it as God given, and NOT as some man has tried to explain it,  and to make sure I am not adding or subtracting anything on my own, and using the information in the correct context, I had to go to the parable given before it, 

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
The "goodman" of the house is being told
1.  to watch, keep watch, for a thief that is coming to break up the house or
2. don't watch and the thief will come and suffer the house to be broken into

For me, the FIRST command Jesus gives us when questioned on the subject, "do not be deceived by any man" covers that very well.  I am the Christian, the goodman, the house is my spirit and soul which belongs to God, and I am not to allow a thief in under any circumstances. 
 

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
The Christian must be prepared.  We are told how to be prepared in  2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 
We are given the details of what is coming in many different places and from many different angles so as we will be without excuse.    Put on the gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan.  

 

Matthew 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Milk or meat.  Be one of those who "claim" but have no teeth to chew when meat is offered.  

Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Serving the Lord.  Working in the field.  Not being taken by the thief unaware.  (a pre trib rap would call this into question as to when?  who?)

Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
" and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years ".

Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
 

Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The apostasy/great falling away/taking the mark.   
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (OR UNTIL THE DAY CHRIST RETURNS)

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Christ coming in an hour not aware of because they have no armor, they have fallen away from the TRUTH and are being deceived and soon  when "he will be standing where he ought not" and the two witnesses will be killed and in that hour, the True Christ will return.  Only those who know are aware.

Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And those who did not take that first command to heart and find themselves deceived by the beast and the false prophet and Satan...


Matthew 25:1 THEN shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Five of them Studied to show themselves approved, five of the were just "claimers".

Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
The foolish didn't study to show themselves approved, the didn't put on the gospel armor, they are not able to withstand the fiery darts of Satan, they were taught pre trib rap doctrine, so had no idea they could be deceived because they believed they wouldn't be here so they don't need to have oil with them.  

Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
The know that the deceiver is coming to steal their souls, they know taking the mark for buying and selling is coming so they are prepared with Gods instructions on how to get through it in the light of the lamp with enough oil to make it through the night

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Satan is coming first, remember that evil servant who said in their heart.....NOTICE it is DARK

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
In the middle of the night.  Pre trib the sun has not been covered with sackcloth.  It is still light.  Remember what happens when Satan is kicked out of heaven?  Sackcloth covers the sun.  That is the beginning of the "night", all light cut down while he goes out overcoming the earth looking for those to overcome.

Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
And when Satan arrives and it is time to stand, overcome and endure to the end.  They have the extra oil it takes to stay in the light.

Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
The foolish have no idea what is really going on.  They were taught they wouldn't be here.  They have not the knowledge (oil) to get through it.  They look to the wise to give them, but it is too late to receive any oil.  

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  And we are closer to that point every day.  The foolish can't hardly hear Truth even today.  Even when given in the simplicity of Christ.  False doctrines, and teachers not called of God uttering words which deceive and make void Gods Truth, to which they will be held responsible. 

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
And while the foolish were deceived, took the mark, bought and sold, THE TRIBULATION CAME TO AN END BY THE RETURN OF CHRIST IN WHICH the foolish realize they have allowed the thief to break in/to be deceived/have become a PART OF THE GREAT FALLING AWAY/THE APOSTASY.  They have become part of the "dead/spiritually dead" who will not "live/receive immortality" until given a chance once the 1000 years conclude

 WHY THEY CAN'T LIVE/RECEIVE THEIR IMMORTALITY UNTIL THE 1000 YEARS ARE FINISHED?  

(AS TIME IS SO SHORT  AND  BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE THING THAT FOR SURE TELLS US THE CHURCH MUST/WILL GO THROUGH THE TRIBUALTION)

THEY CAN'T "LIVE" UNTIL AFTER SATAN IS LOOSED FOR A SHORT SEASON AT THE END OF THE LORDS DAY

BECAUSE

HE IS LOOSED FOR THE LAST TEST/TRIBULATION BEFORE THE LAKE OF FIRE.  JUST AS WE WILL BE TESTED SOON AND THOSE WHO PASS LIVE AND REIGN FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS.  NO TEST, NO PASS, NO GO  

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Christ arrives and IT IS TOO LATE.  They have failed.  You can't rub off that mark.  THEY ARE no longer VIRGINS.  They have hopped into bed with Satan.  They are with child and giving suck.   They have been unfaithful to the LORD by worshipping Satan/taking the mark.  

Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Be prepared, get prepared now.  

Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Christ in heaven we his servants and HIS WORD delivered for us to pass on.

Matthew 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey
Some He gives lots of responsibility, they best give what is given

Matthew 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Some He gives some

Matthew 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
All receive what is given to be given

Matthew 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
PRE RAPTURE THEORY  keeps the sons of God from TRUTH

Matthew 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Matthew 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matthew 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matthew 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matthew 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
He is coming back to see WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR HIM, not what else He can do for you. 

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Matthew 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
AFRAID.  Needing to "escape".  No faith in the power of God to keep His wrath from you, if you remain on earth.  How sad.  Not studying enough to know what God uses tribulation and all the rest of the distresses for.  Not seeing that GOD HIMSELF SUFFERED in the flesh so NOTHING He is asking of us is anything more than He has done Himself.  But some don't want to be SERVANTS, they just want to be taken care of and party

Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Matthew 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Matthew 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

NO mention of the FEAST anywhere, unless I missed it. 
So once again I go back to (IN SEARCH OF THE FEAST)

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

Revelation 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen;

 

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

NOTICE WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY?  A TRIP TO HEAVEN WITHOUT ANY TESTING, NO HE SAYS

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

NOW WE SEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMBS WIFE.  Satan has come, Satan has been bound, Satan has been loosed, Satan has been cast into the lake of fire.  The new heaven and earth are in play, all evil GONE, and New Jerusalem is descending.  NOW WE HAVE A FEAST AND ALL ARE INVITED.  THERE WILL BE NO ONE WITHOUT A WEDDING GARMENT.  

The test is now not next time in tribulation n foolish virgins fail the test to remain in God Holy Spirit